Liqui Moly or Total

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Originally Posted By: skyship
LM Synthoil High Tech 5/40 and their other oils are real good and are now outselling Castrol in Germany. You also have a good range of additives available.
The French don't have any real oil fields!


Why would one need native oil fields to produce high-quality motor oil? Redline and Royal Purple don't own any oil fields either. Not sure the Germans have much in the way of oil fields for that matter.
 
As a native born citizen of the USA, I for one, am glad there aren't a lot of oil fields in France or Germany. At least not too many that would be accessible using 1940's technology.
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Regarding my original question "What would you choose?". From what I can glean from the responses it looks to me that Lubro Moly has the edge. It's German and the Audi guys prefer it. Am I correct here? BTW, both my cars are German and both oils have the appropriate approvals.
 
Originally Posted By: dennishiip
Regarding my original question "What would you choose?". From what I can glean from the responses it looks to me that Lubro Moly has the edge. It's German and the Audi guys prefer it. Am I correct here? BTW, both my cars are German and both oils have the appropriate approvals.
I think if you dig deeper you'll see most users of either oil basically stuck their finger in the wind when it came to making their decision.
 
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Important to note that the Total 9000 is now sold in QUARTS in the USA, NOT Liters. This may or may not matter for your application.

There Are Other Stores Too:
ecstuning.com
Total 9000 5w40 5Q - $40.82

europaparts.com
Total 9000 5w40 5Q - $33.95
Total Synthoil 5w40 5L - $34.95

oilchangekits.com
Total 9000 5w40 5Q 5Q $32.48
Total Synthoil 5L - $40.40
 
Originally Posted By: dennishiip
Regarding my original question "What would you choose?". From what I can glean from the responses it looks to me that Lubro Moly has the edge. It's German and the Audi guys prefer it. Am I correct here? BTW, both my cars are German and both oils have the appropriate approvals.

Hi
i'm living in France , i prefer to use LM , i used Total one time , not more , HC.
don't know if you have Meguin oil where you live
http://www.meguin.de/meguin/produktdb.nsf/id/e_engineoils_nt000013f2.html
hope helps
 
Originally Posted By: Oub
Originally Posted By: dennishiip
Regarding my original question "What would you choose?". From what I can glean from the responses it looks to me that Lubro Moly has the edge. It's German and the Audi guys prefer it. Am I correct here? BTW, both my cars are German and both oils have the appropriate approvals.

Hi
i'm living in France , i prefer to use LM , i used Total one time , not more , HC.
don't know if you have Meguin oil where you live
http://www.meguin.de/meguin/produktdb.nsf/id/e_engineoils_nt000013f2.html
hope helps


Hello, Oub! Nice to hear from our Euro counterparts. I can’t speak for others, but I’m not familiar with Meguin lubricants. They’re not widely available here in the U.S. – I think I can safely say that.

“Important to note that the Total 9000 is now sold in QUARTS in the USA, NOT Liters.”
I initially had doubts about this – I just bought two 5L (not 5Q) jugs of Total the other day – but sure enough, at least one retailer now has PHOTOS of Total bottles/jugs that clearly say “1 QT” and “5 QT” on them. Retailers’ descriptions sometimes may be off (or at least not updated), but the product photos don’t lie. 1 L = 1.06 Q. 1 Q = 0.95 L. The numbers are very close. Random example: $35 5L jug = $33.25 5Q jug.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
I am buying based on it's a REAL synthetic,

Oh boy, here we go again. I realize that you're new to BITOG and it's a common pitfall to fall into. I suggest you do further reading to help you get over this.


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I disagree. Because the API was so afraid to commit and take sides when it came to the Mobil vs. Castrol 'what the meaning of synthetic is' debate/lawsuit, now any oil a US company wants to call synthetic can be labelled synthetic.

API had nothing to do with the whole synthetic definition discussion. API sets out certain performance standards, just like ACEA. They don't care how these performance standards are achieved. If you can achieve them with cooking oil, so be it. And rightfully so. You should focus more on the oils performance (specific MFG specs that an oil meets) rather than what it's made of.

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Hence the reason Mobil 1 went to Grp III oils to save coin but still charge you the same $$ .....I am not playing that game anymore.

Can you prove that M1's real-world performance has gone down as a result of this formulation change? Does it not meet the same mfg specs anymore? Are there engines out there getting sludged up and blowing up because of this new reformulated M1? Give me a break...


So, I get dissed for what I posted and I am uneducated and ignorant because of my low post count. Well then boys, read this thread and tell me I am wrong.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...t=12&page=1
 
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
Well then boys, read this thread and tell me I am wrong.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...t=12&page=1

Can you be a little more specific? I'm not sure I see any contradictions here...

But anyway, feel free to buy whatever you like. Nobody here is going to twist your hand and force you to do otherwise. At the end of the day we all do what helps us sleep better at night.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
Well then boys, read this thread and tell me I am wrong.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...t=12&page=1

Can you be a little more specific? I'm not sure I see any contradictions here...

But anyway, feel free to buy whatever you like. Nobody here is going to twist your hand and force you to do otherwise. At the end of the day we all do what helps us sleep better at night.


There were several references by multiple posters saying that M1 is now Group III and not PAO like they used to be.
 
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
There were several references by multiple posters saying that M1 is now Group III and not PAO like they used to be.

That is correct. Group III+ (VISOM) to be more exact. I don't think anyone in this thread denied it. But I repeat my initial question when you stated it:
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Can you prove that M1's real-world performance has gone down as a result of this formulation change? Does it not meet the same mfg specs anymore? Are there engines out there getting sludged up and blowing up because of this new reformulated M1?
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
There were several references by multiple posters saying that M1 is now Group III and not PAO like they used to be.

That is correct. Group III+ (VISOM) to be more exact. I don't think anyone in this thread denied it. But I repeat my initial question when you stated it:
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Can you prove that M1's real-world performance has gone down as a result of this formulation change? Does it not meet the same mfg specs anymore? Are there engines out there getting sludged up and blowing up because of this new reformulated M1?



Again, as old school as I am, I want a full synthetic oil in a bottled labelled as such. If you have a problem with that,oh well......
 
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