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I believe the LM Vollsynthese[SM] will work.
Of course it will. LM makes good oils and products.
I believe the LM Vollsynthese[SM] will work.
Of course it will. LM makes good oils and products.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Just because something is considered "synthetic" (group IV/V according to your definition), it doesn't automatically mean it's a great product.
Agreed. Royal Purple SL 5w-30 was believed to be primarily Group IV and some V. That doesn't mean it's a good fit for European cars with proprietary specs, nor would it be a suitable replacement for 15w-40 HDEO in a diesel application.
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
Well, seeing as my truck is no longer under warranty, and the only spec my OM calls out is the anemic GM6094M, I believe the LM Vollsynthese[SM] will work.
Sure, but the engine won't notice the difference, except under longer OCIs, versus Quaker State conventional of the appropriate grade, which meets GM6094M.
Just because something is considered "synthetic" (group IV/V according to your definition), it doesn't automatically mean it's a great product.
Agreed. Royal Purple SL 5w-30 was believed to be primarily Group IV and some V. That doesn't mean it's a good fit for European cars with proprietary specs, nor would it be a suitable replacement for 15w-40 HDEO in a diesel application.
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
Well, seeing as my truck is no longer under warranty, and the only spec my OM calls out is the anemic GM6094M, I believe the LM Vollsynthese[SM] will work.
Sure, but the engine won't notice the difference, except under longer OCIs, versus Quaker State conventional of the appropriate grade, which meets GM6094M.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Sure, but the engine won't notice the difference, except under longer OCIs, versus Quaker State conventional of the appropriate grade, which meets GM6094M.
Yes it will. The added anti-wear additives vs. starvation via API SN. Are you kidding?
And, do you even know what 6094 specifies? Low temp pumpability. Big frikkin deal. LM 0W40 will blow that away.
Again I am not under warranty, so please stop with the parrot 'OEM Spec' 'OEM Spec' 'OEM spec' especially when the spec means nothing.
Sure, but the engine won't notice the difference, except under longer OCIs, versus Quaker State conventional of the appropriate grade, which meets GM6094M.
Yes it will. The added anti-wear additives vs. starvation via API SN. Are you kidding?
And, do you even know what 6094 specifies? Low temp pumpability. Big frikkin deal. LM 0W40 will blow that away.
Again I am not under warranty, so please stop with the parrot 'OEM Spec' 'OEM Spec' 'OEM spec' especially when the spec means nothing.
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Um, right. Millions of miles of fleet use on Chevy small blocks (and some Ford thrown in for good measure) with resource conserving oils at 6,000 mile OCIs. I fail to see what synthetics would have provided me, other than a lighter wallet.
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
Interesting how post count substitutes for knowledge around here.
There is a wealth of information out there outside of BITOG. You just need to look for it.
So, what is M1 hiding? They sound like politicians - dodging the questions:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Group_3_Base_Oils.aspx
All it takes to be factory fill is alot of $$$. Big deal.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a couple of races to watch on TV.
Wow. Way to get started.
Actually this place is pretty well 'staffed' by some sharp folks who know what they speak of. You may be surprised.
Your ideas are sadly out of date and need refreshing. Might want to listen more...
Interesting how post count substitutes for knowledge around here.
There is a wealth of information out there outside of BITOG. You just need to look for it.
So, what is M1 hiding? They sound like politicians - dodging the questions:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Group_3_Base_Oils.aspx
All it takes to be factory fill is alot of $$$. Big deal.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a couple of races to watch on TV.
Wow. Way to get started.
Actually this place is pretty well 'staffed' by some sharp folks who know what they speak of. You may be surprised.
Your ideas are sadly out of date and need refreshing. Might want to listen more...
Truth is though most GM engines are pretty easy on oil.
Sure it will work just fine but its not the only oil that will provide great service either.
IMHO there are very few engines running in the US that really need the benefits of these heavier super duper oils, there are some certainly but they are few and far between.
Modified engines, aftermarket turbo, and engines with known heat issues are a few but the SBC doesn't fall into this lot does it unless you added a turbo to it.
I run 5w30 in them, it seems to work great for the life of the car.
Sure it will work just fine but its not the only oil that will provide great service either.
IMHO there are very few engines running in the US that really need the benefits of these heavier super duper oils, there are some certainly but they are few and far between.
Modified engines, aftermarket turbo, and engines with known heat issues are a few but the SBC doesn't fall into this lot does it unless you added a turbo to it.
I run 5w30 in them, it seems to work great for the life of the car.
Truck does not have an SBC engine. 3.5L I-5, DOHC, VVT. I want something a little stouter that 6094M, and a real synthetic. I have been running synths all my life. Amsoil and RL used to be sold in stores arond here, no more. The only real synth in your big box stores now are RP and GC. Now NAPA is carrying LM synths. Gonna give it a try. I want something that is SL/SM rated. The SN is too weak in ZDDP from what my research indicates, and I drive my vehicles into the ground and want them to last.
And I have been on this board longer than my post count indicates. I had to reregister under a new name because I couldn't remember my old one, LOL.
I have read Oil 101, and I disagree with some of it. There is alot about the super thin oil philosipy I disagree with. So, with that, I will probably resume lurking and stop posting.
And I have been on this board longer than my post count indicates. I had to reregister under a new name because I couldn't remember my old one, LOL.
I have read Oil 101, and I disagree with some of it. There is alot about the super thin oil philosipy I disagree with. So, with that, I will probably resume lurking and stop posting.
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Your ideas are sadly out of date and need refreshing. Might want to listen more...
Out of date? I e-mailed M1 way back when the suit had just finished. They would not answer my question then, and it looks like they won't now. My ideas are still current I see.
Your ideas are sadly out of date and need refreshing. Might want to listen more...
Out of date? I e-mailed M1 way back when the suit had just finished. They would not answer my question then, and it looks like they won't now. My ideas are still current I see.
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Um, right. Millions of miles of fleet use on Chevy small blocks (and some Ford thrown in for good measure) with resource conserving oils at 6,000 mile OCIs. I fail to see what synthetics would have provided me, other than a lighter wallet.
Millions of miles on low ZDDP SN oil already? You must drive alot.
Um, right. Millions of miles of fleet use on Chevy small blocks (and some Ford thrown in for good measure) with resource conserving oils at 6,000 mile OCIs. I fail to see what synthetics would have provided me, other than a lighter wallet.
Millions of miles on low ZDDP SN oil already? You must drive alot.
Originally Posted By: Fyrb4ll
Millions of miles on low ZDDP SN oil already? You must drive alot.
That included older oils, which weren't as high in ZDDP as we "fondly remember" them to be, either. Nor did the ZDDP save Chevy small block cams, either.
The highest mileage vehicle I retired was an Impala with 1,000,000 km on it. It had cam and lifters replaced once, and drove to its place of retirement. It didn't see a drop of synthetic, either.
Millions of miles on low ZDDP SN oil already? You must drive alot.
That included older oils, which weren't as high in ZDDP as we "fondly remember" them to be, either. Nor did the ZDDP save Chevy small block cams, either.
The highest mileage vehicle I retired was an Impala with 1,000,000 km on it. It had cam and lifters replaced once, and drove to its place of retirement. It didn't see a drop of synthetic, either.
I've purchased both of these LM and Total oils for a 2008 VW Passat. LM doesn't provide any useful information in their spec sheet other than certifications, and they won't respond to e-mail requests for info either. So their customer communications policy appears to be "Go pound sand."
Total at least has a reasonably informative spec sheet (and they respond to e-mails), and the message boards have nothing by praise for this oil. I can get it easily and cheaply from an internet shop in Arizona, so I've embraced the Total and dumped the LM.
Total at least has a reasonably informative spec sheet (and they respond to e-mails), and the message boards have nothing by praise for this oil. I can get it easily and cheaply from an internet shop in Arizona, so I've embraced the Total and dumped the LM.
Originally Posted By: TC
I can get it easily and cheaply from an internet shop in Arizona.
Can you tell us which shop you can get Total at fair price?
I can get it easily and cheaply from an internet shop in Arizona.
Can you tell us which shop you can get Total at fair price?
I get most of my parts from the same internet shop and they happen to sell both Total and Lubro (Liqui) Moly for about the same price. That's why I asked what others here thought about these two similar oils. I'm trying to decide what to get.
Originally Posted By: dennishiip
I get most of my parts from the same internet shop and they happen to sell both Total and Lubro (Liqui) Moly for about the same price. That's why I asked what others here thought about these two similar oils. I'm trying to decide what to get.
What kind of price? Unless it's under $8/qt I don't see any reason to spend the extra money on it.
Nothing wrong with either of those, but don't let their rarity or low-availability in North America convince you they're somehow "better".
It's akin to people in Europe paying big money for Budweiser since it's an "import" whereas in America it's a fairly common and cheap beer.
I get most of my parts from the same internet shop and they happen to sell both Total and Lubro (Liqui) Moly for about the same price. That's why I asked what others here thought about these two similar oils. I'm trying to decide what to get.
What kind of price? Unless it's under $8/qt I don't see any reason to spend the extra money on it.
Nothing wrong with either of those, but don't let their rarity or low-availability in North America convince you they're somehow "better".
It's akin to people in Europe paying big money for Budweiser since it's an "import" whereas in America it's a fairly common and cheap beer.
Originally Posted By: mason1125
Originally Posted By: TC
I can get it easily and cheaply from an internet shop in Arizona.
Can you tell us which shop you can get Total at fair price?
This site threatens to ban folks for including anything that might be interpreted as an "ad" link, but you might Google "Total 802230".
Originally Posted By: TC
I can get it easily and cheaply from an internet shop in Arizona.
Can you tell us which shop you can get Total at fair price?
This site threatens to ban folks for including anything that might be interpreted as an "ad" link, but you might Google "Total 802230".
AutohausAZ.com
Lubro Moly $33.72/5L
Total $35.63/5L
free shipping with $50 purchase
Lubro Moly $33.72/5L
Total $35.63/5L
free shipping with $50 purchase
I hope I don't get banned. I see auto parts stores mentioned by name all the time.
Auto Haus is a good shop. I used to get some Audi parts from there when they weren't available up here.
Originally Posted By: dennishiip
AutohausAZ.com
Lubro Moly $33.72/5L
Total $35.63/5L
free shipping with $50 purchase
Thanks for all the great information. Do not need to stick with Napa everytime.
AutohausAZ.com
Lubro Moly $33.72/5L
Total $35.63/5L
free shipping with $50 purchase
Thanks for all the great information. Do not need to stick with Napa everytime.
He he, I still have their site bookmarked from my last Audi order, and I no longer have the car!
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