Latest Pennzoil Platinum 10-30

[wileyE]

you mean 13,000,000 mb of linked pdf files and 4ball scar tests (one armed bandit) might not have as much merit as we're led to believe?

 

[G-MAN]

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you mean 13,000,000 mb of linked pdf files and 4ball scar tests (one armed bandit) might not have as much merit as we're led to believe?

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[Gene K]

What is with Balckstone. Why do they insist on using their on definition of oil grades? How can an oil thats roughly 9.8 cSt @ 100C be called a 20 Weight when 30 Weight goes all the way down to 9.3 cSt?

 

[Max_Wander]

the add pack seems typical of an oil that uses above average fluids

 

[Mokanic]

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While these Virgin samples are fun to play with, I can tell you that there is a sweat, love and thought that goes into oil blending/production than you will not see on a basic lab analysis.

To compare two oils and say, "This one has more boron, Calcium, Moly, etc.- so it must be better" really discounts the behind-the-locked-doors work that chemists/fluid eng. labour over.

If it was as easy as simply sprinkling some basic elements into a well known groupIII/IV/V oil, don't you think that everyone would be doing that? Think of all the millions that could be saved be not building research centres or paying guys like me to devote a lifetime to the study of fluids and how they interact with their surrounding enviroments.

As an aside, my personal belief is that some companies (cough,Amsoil,cough) knowingly blend their oils the way they do, because they know you guys will shell out for the elemental tests, and then get all exctied when you see the basic elements that you are looking for: "Look! Lots of zinc! This oil is going to make my engine last forever!" Not to single Amsoil out, but its clear they know what you guys are up too.

At the end of the day, the things that make an oil really "work" and stand out from its peers, are not the things that you are going to see on any Blackstone labs tests.

If it was that easy, all oils would look and act the same.

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Much wisdom in these words.

 

[blackdiamond]

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While these Virgin samples are fun to play with, I can tell you that there is a sweat, love and thought that goes into oil blending/production than you will not see on a basic lab analysis.

To compare two oils and say, "This one has more boron, Calcium, Moly, etc.- so it must be better" really discounts the behind-the-locked-doors work that chemists/fluid eng. labour over.

If it was as easy as simply sprinkling some basic elements into a well known groupIII/IV/V oil, don't you think that everyone would be doing that? Think of all the millions that could be saved be not building research centres or paying guys like me to devote a lifetime to the study of fluids and how they interact with their surrounding enviroments.

As an aside, my personal belief is that some companies (cough,Amsoil,cough) knowingly blend their oils the way they do, because they know you guys will shell out for the elemental tests, and then get all exctied when you see the basic elements that you are looking for: "Look! Lots of zinc! This oil is going to make my engine last forever!" Not to single Amsoil out, but its clear they know what you guys are up too.

At the end of the day, the things that make an oil really "work" and stand out from its peers, are not the things that you are going to see on any Blackstone labs tests.

If it was that easy, all oils would look and act the same.

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Much wisdom in these words.

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Agreed. I believe that an oils true test is a used oil analysis to see how it hold up in real world situations and I'm sure nearly everyone on the forum would agree. I would guess that the main reason for a VOA would be to get a baseline to compare with a used oil analysis to see what changed.

Terry has told me that the current Pennzoil Platinum oil is an excellent product that works well as a complete package. Note: He was not comparing it specifically to any other oil so his comment is not a reflection on other products. I'm sure there are a lot of quality oils, but I'm positive that PP is one of them.

 

[johnbottilaw]

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While these Virgin samples are fun to play with, I can tell you that there is a sweat, love and thought that goes into oil blending/production than you will not see on a basic lab analysis.

To compare two oils and say, "This one has more boron, Calcium, Moly, etc.- so it must be better" really discounts the behind-the-locked-doors work that chemists/fluid eng. labour over.

If it was as easy as simply sprinkling some basic elements into a well known groupIII/IV/V oil, don't you think that everyone would be doing that? Think of all the millions that could be saved be not building research centres or paying guys like me to devote a lifetime to the study of fluids and how they interact with their surrounding enviroments.

As an aside, my personal belief is that some companies (cough,Amsoil,cough) knowingly blend their oils the way they do, because they know you guys will shell out for the elemental tests, and then get all exctied when you see the basic elements that you are looking for: "Look! Lots of zinc! This oil is going to make my engine last forever!" Not to single Amsoil out, but its clear they know what you guys are up too.

At the end of the day, the things that make an oil really "work" and stand out from its peers, are not the things that you are going to see on any Blackstone labs tests.

If it was that easy, all oils would look and act the same.

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Much wisdom in these words.

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Do you really think that oil companies manipulate additives to cater to a minuscule fraction of people who run VOA's? This theory seems marginal to me, at best. Although I agree with the premise, that visible additive does not mean that much, I do not agree that there is some sort of additives placed solely so people will see the additive and then buy the oil. I would argue that manipulating the additive in that fashion would cost far more than the few sales generated by the existence of the additive. The vast majority of the car owning oil changing public doesn't even know how to run a VOA, much less what the additives do, or why they are there.

 

[old farmer]

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While these Virgin samples are fun to play with, I can tell you that there is a sweat, love and thought that goes into oil blending/production than you will not see on a basic lab analysis.

To compare two oils and say, "This one has more boron, Calcium, Moly, etc.- so it must be better" really discounts the behind-the-locked-doors work that chemists/fluid eng. labour over.

If it was as easy as simply sprinkling some basic elements into a well known groupIII/IV/V oil, don't you think that everyone would be doing that? Think of all the millions that could be saved be not building research centres or paying guys like me to devote a lifetime to the study of fluids and how they interact with their surrounding enviroments.

As an aside, my personal belief is that some companies (cough,Amsoil,cough) knowingly blend their oils the way they do, because they know you guys will shell out for the elemental tests, and then get all exctied when you see the basic elements that you are looking for: "Look! Lots of zinc! This oil is going to make my engine last forever!" Not to single Amsoil out, but its clear they know what you guys are up too.

At the end of the day, the things that make an oil really "work" and stand out from its peers, are not the things that you are going to see on any Blackstone labs tests.

If it was that easy, all oils would look and act the same.

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Much wisdom in these words.

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I have to agree. The people who formulate oils have a tough job meeting automaker's specs. When an automaker says to reduce the zinc due to catalyst issues, and they have used it as their one of their more important anti-wear additives, they have to find new ways of doing it. It's not easy at all. So why would I buy an oil and then say that it doesn't have enough moly or zinc and throw in an additve?
Don't people realize that these oils are formulated so the additives all work in balance with each other and the base fluids? And that adding something of your own will pnly mess it up.
These guys make their living making these oils, so I don't, so who says I know bwtter than them. I sure wouldn't want a stranger who has never done my job telling me how to do my job.
And to Saskatchewan: Einen guten tag haben.
Ya I work with a guy who is fluent in German. He teaches me things because I want to visit there someday.

 

[wgtoys]

Boy, if I read one more time that some armchair quarterback doesn't like oil XYZ because it has a "weak add pack" I'm going to go nuts, or at least have to turn off the computer

. "Fun to play with" perhaps, but VOAs are mostly only useful for things like comparing a used oil analysis to the virgin oil. For example, some oils use silicon in their additives and can lead to wrong conclusions when reading a raw used oil analysis. Some oils start out on the thick side of grade, some on the thin side, and so on.

 

[remmious]

Agreed. From reading all these used oil analysis and VOA's it just really showed me that there is not a 'bad' oil out there; some better in certain applications but they all show good results when matched with proper OCI. I personally feel comfortable with my 4K OCI and any oil after being on this board for a while.

Thanks to all you BITOG'ers that go the extra mile and post your results. They are greatly appreciated!