My jeweler always showed us the engraved serial number before and after any service. They've since gone out of business. We should probably get the wife's ring inspected soon.
Lab grown vs natural diamonds
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There are diamond mines in northern Canada. I've even been to one of them.
Their extra claim to fame is they don't produce "blood diamonds". As I recall, they have a polar bear engraved on them.
Anyone can use the word natural to describe a mined diamond. It is a correct description and people do use the term..
Just as manmade or lab grown would be correct. I agree that Lab Grown is correct.
I also see your point as to the benefits of what one believes in a gift of love and devotion.
I was 100% wrong to imply anyone should be ashamed of a lab produced diamond or ANY gift given as a show of love and devotion.
I agree with you. I got caught up in the thread and I am actually ashamed of myself for posting that without thinking.
I wish I could go back and edit that post but you can’t do that on BITOG. For people that know me personally would know I am saying this truthfully. My wife knows it too. I truly am ashamed, Humans say things without thinking at times and think this was one of my top ten of my life as it goes against everything I am about and the way I conduct my life on this earth.
Obligatory Ice Road Truckers TV show reference.
Much better than BLOOD diamonds that are from war torn countries.
I dont buy into this for this reason. To me "Blood Diamonds" is like an indoctrination from a certain group (no politics)
It's like the same hypocrisy of private planes and such of leaders again climate. Let's all follow the leader whether it is factual or not. Big money in these groups.
Every single person in the USA including everyone in this forum reading this post is using a device that runs on "Blood Lithium"
We dont want to admit it to ourselves but every lithium powered device, including all EVs support "blood lithium" directly or indirectly in some way. This is massively larger then the thrown around "blood diamond" words. It's just an example of how some of us as Americans are made to feel guilty using catch phrases like "blood" while the groups themselves live high on all the money flowing in on their private jets. Its easy to control humans by those who know how.
Nothing directed at you at all. I just see this "blood" as an indoctrination into nothingness but some smart group convincing others to follow them. Lithium slave labor, lithium pollution and its health effects are destroying the lives of those in countries on a massively higher scale then any "blood diamond" but the special interest groups know they cant make money off of that, because Americans are not going to give up their electronics or EV vehicles.
Kestas
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Another analogy is "natural copper," which can often be found in Michigan upper peninsula, and "mined copper," which goes through processing to win the copper from its ore. Both yield copper metal, one being more pure than the other. The big difference is natural copper is usually displayed as a curiosity.
Otherwise a lot of this discussion is about the vernacular used to describe two products that are materially identical.
Otherwise a lot of this discussion is about the vernacular used to describe two products that are materially identical.
Well, actually the copper is not manufactured by any process. You said it, it is processed copper, extracted. It is not copper that is created, manufactured or grown.
A lab grown diamond is not processed, it did not exist in nature. It is manufactured by man. It doesnt matter to me or anyone buying a lab grown except to be accurate.
Kestas
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We're really splitting hairs here. As I said, a lot of this discussion is on the vernacular used.
To your point, a lab grown diamond is processed from carbon.
To your point, a lab grown diamond is processed from carbon.
The carbon isn’t being manufactured either. Still the same natural carbon atoms (no particle accelerators involved), just arranged in a specific crystalline structure. So yes it is processed. We do this all the time with many substances - including graphite and carbon black for that matter.
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Yeah, I agree and it’s not accurate to bring in the mining of copper and compare to manufacturing a diamond
Not disputing this at all but just have to add or ask, what alternative do we have ? We can choose to buy (blood) diamonds or not buy them (or buy lab-grown ones). We probably don't have that option with lithium-powered devices.
I don’t believe the narrative of blood diamonds any more than the places we buy our clothes that are manufactured in sweat shops overseas, or the lithium fields that we use to power our devices.
We do have choices, we don’t want to pay extra for them so the only thing that bothers me is because someone likes to buy a diamond that they disparage it andlabel it a blood diamond when they have no idea if it is or not.
If you really think about it, it’s no worse then somebody disparaging the choice of a lab grown diamond. It’s all baloney and a buzz word.
I can almost guarantee the clothes we are wearing on our backs or the electronics that they’re holding in their hand involves some type of abusive employment.
But it’s all good. I really mean that I’m burnt out on the discussion. Thank goodness!
And I hope you took my last post as sincere because I meant everything I said about it
Absolutely 100% false.
(you've already been dunked on, my bad for not seeing the dunks before I posted! - apologies)
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Also false. A huge majority of lab grown diamonds are far from perfect and almost all of them contain inclusions. They are graded on the same scale as dirt diamonds.
You can see the inclusions clearly in this one.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vs2-clarity-very-good-cut-sku-19798748
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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...lor-vvs2-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-13860268
I bought this one a couple of years ago. This is the exact one. No 2 are alike.
They have come down in price since I bought this one for the lady. I'm glad I have insurance on it lol. If it's ever lost, I can recoup what I've got in it. Looks like I could buy a replacement for about 20% less than what I paid for it.
It's IGI certified, the report can be seen in the link.
I bought this one a couple of years ago. This is the exact one. No 2 are alike.
They have come down in price since I bought this one for the lady. I'm glad I have insurance on it lol. If it's ever lost, I can recoup what I've got in it. Looks like I could buy a replacement for about 20% less than what I paid for it.
It's IGI certified, the report can be seen in the link.
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wemay
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Lab grown 100%
I've tried to explain this to people. I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but salt mined out of ancient deposits is the exact same salt that you could get by extracting it from the Atlantic Ocean.
Yet people will buy fancy ancient salt for a hundred bucks a gram. Go figure.*
Slight exaggeration, on the $100/g, but google Barrier Islands Finishing Salt
Yes .. and no. While the salt itself can be considered the same, it's the impurities contained in the crystals which add color and flavor, and the rarity of some salt, that drives the price of the specialized or "boutique" salts. By rarity I mean that some salt is found only in limited or specific locations, quick off-the-top-of-my-head examples would be Himalayan pink salt, French Grey Sea Salt (Sel Gris de Guérande), or Hawaiin salt which has lower levels of sodium chloride and up to about 15% of other minerals.
While the salt in some ancient mines is the same, or very similar to, sea salt, that is not the case with all ancient mines. The Khewra mine in Pakistan produces a decidedly different salt, the renowned pink Khewra salt. There are quite a few ancient mines around the world and they don't all produce a clone of Atlantic Ocean sea salt.
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Yes I should have specified inclusions of unique and varied natural materials rather than just carbon or metal flux.