Kia Spectra - the best econobox???

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Hi,

Im in chicago this week, and have a kia spectra rental car. I have to say that I think it is great!!!

4 wheel discs - top notch. Power - wonderful. Transmission (AT) - geared well. Back seat - amazingly roomy. Headroom (for a 6ft5 athlete) - excellent. Headlights - actualy thought out wit gret cutoff and a euro beam pattern wit good efiiciency.

The car is FAR quieter than my friend's 07 Matrix. Around town and even with reasonable highway driving, the engine is REALLY willing to move. 0-30 (town driving) is a snap... highway driving is more than willing to get you to 75 with a second 250# passenger and luggage without a hassle. Very quiet inside, decent interior materials, etc.

Ive driven the latest and past model Civic (the latest I dont even consider an economy car anymore), and I dont think they are anywhere in the ballpark, especially given price. They may be nice, yahoo... doesnt mean much when you look at the sticker and laugh that you mistook it for an ECONOMY car. corolla - ho hum. Matrix - loud, more underpowered. Focus, whle I liked it as an econobox, and will continue to like it because driving dynamics are a tad bit better (Ill get to that), this car is a slightly nicer package.

All that said, Im not really comparing this to the civic (too large and pricey), mazda 3 (expensive and far different tuning), or the toyota yaris (too small). However, I think it fair to compare to the corolla, matrix, ion, cobalt, focus, elantra, all of which Ive driven, some at great length.

My dislikes on this car: soft front suspesion - hard braking takes a nose dive indicating way too soft front shocks/struts. Perhaps a pair of bilstein HDs would help that. AT selector - doesnt have a natural stop at 'D' but rather at '3'. Engine - more than willing to swiftly take you to 75+ MPH, with a smooth downshift and minimal noise... however, the feel of the rush of real torque does not exist. The engine does not pull to make me feel the way I do in, say my saab, where it genrates real torque aqnd presses me into my seat - this car does accelerate decently, but it doent feel like the torque is there. Oh well. Economy - rated around 34 MPG. My Saab with a LOT of extra space, a LOT more power, and a better overall package is rated at 34 and delivers more than that routinely.

I really have to say that I really enjoy this car, even its lines and overall look. I am on travel about 50% of the time, and always have rental cars (generally compact of midsize). I own 5 of my own, and my immediate family has 9 all together. I have a lot of expereince driving a lot of cars, and tend to be quite analytical when driving (like doing anything - Im an engineer). I have to say that as of now, this is my favorite rental car to date. A MT version of this car should be on anyone's list... Too bad it is not a domestic make. I wonder if it is made in the USA.

Best,

JMH
 
First 2 Kia's I ever did regular maintenance on were mid 80's. One was paper route, other was guy driving 100+mi daily to work. BOTH went over 300,000 with average to poor service intervals. I've respected these little mighty-mites ever since.

Bob

Bob
 
Hard to say how well that stuff holds up in the long run.

If it's only rated for 34MPG, I'd rather take my loss leader $19k 2007 Toyota Camry LE.
 
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Hmm... 34MPG from a 19K Camry... or 34MPG from a vehicle that costs $7-8 less... 7K in gas will buy gas for a few years.



No discussion if the driver does not fit in the smaller car.
 
I'm 6ft 5 (OK, maybe 4.5"), weigh about 235. My colleague is 6ft 2 and about 250.

We both fit perfectly int he spectra with plenty of headroom, and decent legroom.

Ill see in two days, but from what I recall, IMO I fit better in the spectra than in the front passenger seat of my fiancee's mother's 01 camry.

Not saying that the spectra is bigger than the camry, and when the trunk and rear seat (though there is a LOT of legroom in the spectra with my seat all the way back) are considered, the camry would be much larger, and thus more utilitarian, depeding upon application... but, that said, on a volume-specific basis, the spectra by far is more efficient as a design to hold 1 or 2 adults for commuting and putzing around - EXACTLY what an econobox is designed for, and what it is being used for.

I have a semi-dedicated commuter car. Its a BMW and its nice, but that is what I use it for. Ill likely alwyas havea seperate commuter car because I like cars and I enjoy owning multiple. For a beater type car that is good putzing around in traffic and commuting duties with a passenger or two, the spectra is a great little car, and is perfect for what it is.

I never said that 34 MPG is good or acceptable - it needs to have at least 37 MPG to be competitive... But as JeepZJ4.0 said, the price delta between the spectra and the civic, or spectra and accord, or spectra and camry buys a lot of "differential" gasoline...

So, as I first said, as an econobox, it is pretty darn good.

JMH
 
My '02 Corolla just got me 42 MPG from Sac to Long Beach at 75 mph. I'm more than happy with that
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I bought a Suzuki Forenza for my econobox. I wanted something along the size of the Corolla for family comfort. I actually tried to be a repeat customer at our local Toyota dealership, but the guy was not respectful of my wants and kept trying to sell me the corolla S which was out of my price range. So I left and went by the Honda dealer and I didn't even see anything I liked. So on to the Mazda dealer to look at the 3's. I didn't really care for the interior styling, so I looked at the Forenza, and bought it. $13k OTD. Auto, power locks, windows, side airbags,4 wheel disc, cd player, etc. It's supposed to get about 34 on the hwy, but I've never calculated. I also liked the styling in and out much better than the others.
 
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Ive driven the latest and past model Civic (the latest I dont even consider an economy car anymore), and I dont think they are anywhere in the ballpark, especially given price.




I personally will pay the premium for the Civic. When Kia's standards come up to Honda's perhaps I'll change my mind.
 
I just wish Honda could make a body that lasts...then again, if Saturn could make a car with great mileage, i'd be all set.
 
nope... and while it may be interesting, in this context,I wouldn't care in the slightest.

If I am buying a car (Im not in the market) for commuting and essenially 'beater' use, I want something that gives me lowest initial purchase price (OK, imports from honda/toyota are out), and decent longevity. From what I have seen and experienced, basic honda and toyota products become just as rattle-trappish as anything else after 100k is hit, and every vehicle requires an intense PM regimen to keep it like new.

All of that said, the operational costs would be about the same, and if Im keeping it long enough to extract full utility, no car, whether a honda, toyota, domestic car, etc. will be worth more than $500. So, resale is not an issue for the consumer that drives reasonably, is aware of PM, and keeps their car until it doesnt owe its owner a cent more.

IMO, Hyundai has demonstrated its abilities to produce long-lived and decent cars well enough, and Ive seen enough knowledgable people marginally to severely burned by Japanese econoboxes to determine this car quite a player.

Just my opinion...

JMH
 
JHZR2,
I can support what you said above... I know for sure that our 03 Elantra has been rock solid at 60k miles so far (not a single problem/repair; just scheduled maintenance; both mechanically and build-quality wise, it has been really good. and I know (like you said) many people who have toy's/hondas of same age, who have problems with theirs with less mileage, so it doesn't matter how good their resale values are at that moment where they need a dependable car to drive...
Hon/Toy: mosltly hype these days; they're not bad cars, but not as good as ppl make them out to be...
There'a a lot of ignorant people out there who just repeat the same old song...they don't know much. I would just ignore the ignorant.
 
I don't have any loyalties to any car manufacturers but I have to disagree with 'Hon/Toy: mosltly hype these days'. Their cars are nicely designed and with low cost of ownership. There may be a lot of publicity and hype but it's not without merit.
 
Nope.

It has poor Side Impact Collision scores which must be really awful considering it has standard side and head-curtain air bags.

Death box.
 
Here are CR crash tests from 2004:

Small:
1 VW Golf
2 Honda Civic
3 VW Jetta
4 Mini Cooper
5 VW Beetle
6 TOYOTA Corolla
7 Ford Focus
8 Mazda Protege'
9 Mitsubishi Lancer
10 Nissan Sentra
11 Dodge Neon
12 Hyundai Elantra
13 Chevrolet Cavalier*

*Signifigantly worse than others in class


Family:

1 VW Passat V6
2 TOYOTA Camry V6
3 VW Passat 4cyl
4 Nissan Altima V6
5 Subaru Legacy
6 Chevrolet Impala
7 Nissan Altima 4cyl
8 TOYOTA Camry 4cyl
9 Ford Tauras/Sable
10 Chrysler Sebring
11 Dodge Stratus
12 Nissan Maxima
13 Mitsubishi Galant
14 Hyundai Sonota
15 Chevrolet Malibu
16 Dodge Intrepid
17 Saturn L200
18 Pontiac Grand Prix
19 Olds Alero
20 Pontiac Grand Am


No suprises for me, especially in the Small catagory.
 
interesting... Hadnt seen that information, but it is a good eye opener.

It does make sense - even if the Korean government subsidizes the building of cars, and they pack extra stuff in them that is stuff that has become essentially commodity tidbits... R&D is still too expensive. It makes perfect sense that they europeans would be at the top of the list, this is the main reason why I buy euro cars.

And, all that said, for the mainstream players, the safety rating appears directly proportional to the spot in the design cycle - so it is somewhat irrelevant. Sure, the newer vehicle is generally better than the older ones, but does it really mean THAT much??? Is a last-gen camry really going to be that much less safe than the newest gen?

For the mainstream players, this whole list might not mean much (e.g. the cavalier was a platform from when??? late 70s?), but for something like an updated platform like the elantra, this sure does not fare well... Its a shame for as decent a little car as the spectra seemed to be, and with the price, etc.

Thanks for posting the list!

JMH
 
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