K&N note

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Feb 5, 2008
Messages
730
Location
texas
OK i have read all the debates about K&N's and I am probably going to switch to the AEM dryflow for the accord intake (aem short ram) but I have to say that I do have 312K miles on the accord and the intake/K&N was put on there when I only had about 85K miles. Now the debate is: the K&N isn't that bad VS. well I made it to 312K miles because the shorter OCI's (around 3500 to 4500 miles) prevented problems caused by poor K&N filtration. Also, before the intake was installed, I did run a K&N drop-in panel for a while---so except for about 35K miles, I have used K&N. But since I recently read about fine particle filtration, and want to increase OCI's I am probably going to go to an AEM dryflow on the accord and an Amsoil air filter on the durango (which is currently on K&N). I think in the long run, cleaner oil will be a better choice----but IMO I don't think K&N will kill your engine..or maybe it was my short OCI's?????
 
What you get from the K&N in performance(zero), versus the extra dirt in the engine is reason enough to say no. My silicon went up immediately with an oiled filter, and back down immediately when I replaced with a dry filter
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleDee
What you get from the K&N in performance(zero), versus the extra dirt in the engine is reason enough to say no. My silicon went up immediately with an oiled filter, and back down immediately when I replaced with a dry filter


DoubleDee, do you have those used oil analysis posted? I would be interested in seeing them.
 
joel95ex: One thing to bear in mind are the operating conditions. If you ran the car in a relatively clean environment, dirt wouldn't be much of an issue. I had an oiled cotton gauze filter (not a K&N) and got really spooked with one of my trail 4x4s when, at the beginning of all this debate nearly 10 years ago, I ran a smear of grease in the filter housing on the clean side. After 5-6K, it had collected a large amount of grit. I was operating that truck in an incredibly dusty and dirty environment. I think that problem could have been cured that by installing one of those foam pre-filters but they weren't available for my filter size at the time. I ended up converting to a huge, remote air filter from a big farm tractor. Conversely, I had a K&N replacement element on a city driven 4x2 pickup for years and the grease smear trick yielded no grit and the truck lived a long, happy life.

The UOA is the telling tale. It's clear, and you proved it, that engines can have a threshold tolerance for such material. I prefer not to test my engine's tolerance in that way, however.

I disagree with Doubledee's blanket statement that the performance gain of a K&N, or any cotton gauze filter, is zero. It all depends on the flow rating of what was replaced vs what it was replaced with. In the old days, K&N's heyday, many cars used undersized filters or restrictive housings and the K&N could offer a benefit in that situation, even at stock power/airflow levels. Today that is much less true and virtually any performance replacement element is hard pressed to offer any gain on a stock engine. If you increase the engine's airflow requirements with other mods, you might be outstripping the stock element or housing's ability to flow enough air, so a higher flow element or system is necessary. Or more necessary. In that case, it's not so much GAINING power, it's not LOSING it due to intake restriction. You can tune in some power on a stock engine with the right ducting, but again, it's often minimal and usually only at the upper end.

The thing that attracts me back to performance filter elements is the cleanability aspects. I am pretty happy with the AEM I've been running lately. They filter well, though are a bit more restrictive than the cotton gauze types. Plus... no oil!! The best part is that AEM had SWRI runs some pretty severe tests on their filters, repeatedly abusing them during cleaning, and the filtering ability stayed copacetic. They have all the test results on their site.
 
I hear debates about K&N's or any oil type filter, some good some bad...either way if you have the K&N this long why not do a used oil analysis and see what works best. You never know you might already have a winner.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom