Junk entire car over Scratched Battery ?
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Pain points from a growing industry. It'll get fleshed out.
This should be good!!
wemay
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Oh dear...
It is going to take the cult members a little time to conjure up a dispute for this but they will come up with some B.S theory. Just watch. LOL
Yep, like I said this should be good.
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The iCar.
"Special cars" have always exhibited occasional.....design weaknesses. Ridiculously expensive repairs/parts were always never mentioned.
You buy the sports car, you pay to fix the sports car.
News stories since the advent of electric cars have mentioned the expensive battery packs.
However, burying them deep within a vehicle's design as well as production woes (growing pains) show us that they're not designing with their brains. How can such big, heavy, expensive things not be designed modularly?
You buy the sports car, you pay to fix the sports car.
News stories since the advent of electric cars have mentioned the expensive battery packs.
However, burying them deep within a vehicle's design as well as production woes (growing pains) show us that they're not designing with their brains. How can such big, heavy, expensive things not be designed modularly?
That has me thinking of the pot holes in we have in the NY area that can swallow a car. Bent rims, tire or front end damage would be a blessing compared to a damaged EV battery.
That's a funny description for Thatcham.
A better description is British insurance industry lobby.
Thatcham doesn't care about battery recycling, sustainability, or circular economies. They care that batteries are expensive and their members (insurance companies) have to pay for them when they're damaged in collisions. That's it. Bringing sustainability into the discussion is a deflection of their only concern: Costs incurred by their members and how it affects their bottom line.
I know that I am in the minority, but I hate the thought of owning anything that I cannot fix with my own 2 hands.
I would happily drive an electric car, they are fast as lightning and I wouldn't mind plugging it in every night. But if something goes wrong .... well I am not a battery expert.
I would happily drive an electric car, they are fast as lightning and I wouldn't mind plugging it in every night. But if something goes wrong .... well I am not a battery expert.
The paradigm of modern cars is that any significant crash results in write-off of the car. The primary design objective for crash outcome is to prevent injury to the occupants. Also considering that most cars go through their life without a major crash, repairability features that increase the initial cost are not necessarily money-saving.
Is anyone going to be willing to certify that a crashed battery or battery component is safe to reuse? At the least that is going to need to be done by the manufacturer or some sort of certified rebuilding facility, not a general mechanic in some body shop.
Is anyone going to be willing to certify that a crashed battery or battery component is safe to reuse? At the least that is going to need to be done by the manufacturer or some sort of certified rebuilding facility, not a general mechanic in some body shop.
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I think of the Ford pick ups that need the cab removed for some of engine repairs.
The truth.
Fill size trucks that use high-strength steel in their frame: Crease it and it needs a frame. No pulling, sectioning, or welding is acceptable. Creased frame = Replacement frame (and that's usually enough to write the whole thing off). Brad DeBerti just did a project on one of these on his YouTube channel. 3 week old 2023 Sierra HD Denali ($85,000+) purchased from a Copart auction that was totaled because it needed a frame:
The Corvette that was totaled by a piece of concrete on the highway. Frame damage that GM says is unrepairable and any attempt (welding) would compromise the structural integrity of the car:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...-was-totaled-thanks-to-one-microscopic-crack/
Very sensationalized article title. There are one or two sentences in that entire article related to having scratches on the battery pack, but just that. It doesn't mention if the battery packs that Allianz has seen was part of a larger crash. Also mentions the batteries in the Model Y are structural but doesn't mention that frame damage to any vehicle most likely results in a totaled car.
One big thing I noticed is:
"The UK currently has no EV battery recycling facilities, so Synetiq has to remove the batteries from written-off cars and store them in containers. Hill estimated at least 95% of the cells in the hundreds of EV battery packs - and thousands of hybrid battery packs - Synetiq has stored at Doncaster are undamaged and should be reused."
This reeks of typical gov planning of "cross that bridge when we get to it." Make things and let the future generations deal with the cleanup.
One big thing I noticed is:
"The UK currently has no EV battery recycling facilities, so Synetiq has to remove the batteries from written-off cars and store them in containers. Hill estimated at least 95% of the cells in the hundreds of EV battery packs - and thousands of hybrid battery packs - Synetiq has stored at Doncaster are undamaged and should be reused."
This reeks of typical gov planning of "cross that bridge when we get to it." Make things and let the future generations deal with the cleanup.
How many ways can you say, "clickbait"?
Anything but from what I see. What issues do you have with the information?
Count of occurrences with supporting detail.
There is a saying in analytics, "If you can't measure it, it's not real."
From the article:
"EVs constitute only a fraction of vehicles on the road, making industry-wide data hard to come by, but the trend of low-mileage zero-emission cars being written off with minor damage is growing." Perhaps; show me the numbers and let's take a look.
Then they jump to the battery with no supporting data of any kind. Trending is one of the most common tools in forecasting and defect identification; I have programmed linear regression against relevant range on sets of data; it is very telling, but only when used correctly looking deeply into the supporting data. And questioning everything because truth involves a deeper dive.
None of this was offered.
I am willing to bet you have a series of steps you take when analyzing a vehicle problem. That's proper analysis; it fosters solution.
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