Is Royal purple worth the extra $$?

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
"We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today."

belief does not equal fact

Your reading is highly selective when the next two words in the sentence are "and know", so I give him credit for having some basis of testing for making that statement. But even if the RP guy told us what it was based on, we would still debate it.

 

[NHHEMI]

deven;

We really are wasting our time here. Nothing we say about our actual hands on use of the product, no data we give, nor proof we provide will ever satisfy these people here at BITOG. They will find some way to twist the info to make RP out to be bad. It is a no win situation.

You and I have actually used it and know it is a good product. All we can do is smile knowing we know the truth.

 

[surfstar]

Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors, but our in house testing proves its better. What's that? Sorry, we don't publish our internal testing reports.

You guys are not helping RP's case in these type of threads.

I'm not in their market though, as I buy syn with rebate deals. I just find these threads entertaining

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors, but our in house testing proves its better. What's that? Sorry, we don't publish our internal testing reports.

You guys are not helping RP's case in these type of threads.

I'm not in their market though, as I buy syn with rebate deals. I just find these threads entertaining

Just to clarify, every reputable oil company will do their internal testing with their main competitors and rarely any will publish detailed results. This is how Pennzoil and Mobil can make claims of "our oil cleans xx times better than our competitors oil" but do you see them revealing exactly how they came to this conclusion? They may say ASTM test or that test but thats about it. No details other than that. So your argument here makes no sense to me. If i missed something let me know!

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors,


This false claim will never end no matter how many times you show it to not be more expensive. After spending a few years here at BITOG and seeing how this cost myth persists, no matter how many times you show it to be false, it is no wonder that false info spreads as the truth so easy. Also no surprise that it is so hard to get people to realize it is false.

Wish people would take their RP bias glasses off and actually read the info given that shows it is actually not more expensive and can be purchased at a competitive price vs. the competition.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors, but our in house testing proves its better. What's that? Sorry, we don't publish our internal testing reports.

You guys are not helping RP's case in these type of threads.

I'm not in their market though, as I buy syn with rebate deals. I just find these threads entertaining

Just to clarify, every reputable oil company will do their internal testing with their main competitors and rarely any will publish detailed results. This is how Pennzoil and Mobil can make claims of "our oil cleans xx times better than our competitors oil" but do you see them revealing exactly how they came to this conclusion? They may say ASTM test or that test but thats about it. No details other than that. So your argument here makes no sense to me. If i missed something let me know!


Face it deven, even if RP actually took video of the testing and provided every spec of data right down to formulation details people here would still find a way to rip on them. Just how it is.

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
deven;

We really are wasting our time here. Nothing we say about our actual hands on use of the product, no data we give, nor proof we provide will ever satisfy these people here at BITOG. They will find some way to twist the info to make RP out to be bad. It is a no win situation.

You and I have actually used it and know it is a good product. All we can do is smile knowing we know the truth.

You know you are so correct. I'm not even trying to win anything here. Dave asked for proof other than facebook evidence so I reached out to Jimmy and he was gracious enough to give me DETAILED information because of the relationship we have. Mind you if it was anyone else they would have gotten a paragraph or less answer. Even this was poopoo'd as fake or I somehow made this stuff up.

 

[jayg]

Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors, but our in house testing proves its better. What's that? Sorry, we don't publish our internal testing reports.

You guys are not helping RP's case in these type of threads.

I'm not in their market though, as I buy syn with rebate deals. I just find these threads entertaining

Just to clarify, every reputable oil company will do their internal testing with their main competitors and rarely any will publish detailed results. This is how Pennzoil and Mobil can make claims of "our oil cleans xx times better than our competitors oil" but do you see them revealing exactly how they came to this conclusion? They may say ASTM test or that test but thats about it. No details other than that. So your argument here makes no sense to me. If i missed something let me know!



That being said, if they are all shady, I'll go with the cheapest one that meets my specs then.

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors, but our in house testing proves its better. What's that? Sorry, we don't publish our internal testing reports.

You guys are not helping RP's case in these type of threads.

I'm not in their market though, as I buy syn with rebate deals. I just find these threads entertaining

Just to clarify, every reputable oil company will do their internal testing with their main competitors and rarely any will publish detailed results. This is how Pennzoil and Mobil can make claims of "our oil cleans xx times better than our competitors oil" but do you see them revealing exactly how they came to this conclusion? They may say ASTM test or that test but thats about it. No details other than that. So your argument here makes no sense to me. If i missed something let me know!


Face it deven, even if RP actually took video of the testing and provided every spec of data right down to formulation details people here would still find a way to rip on them. Just how it is.

Yes, just like that thread 2005GT dude put up with micd info and pics. Even that was disregarded. RP will never be done right here on BITOG because PDS and MSDS and used oil analysis are king and how people here choose oil rather than real life experiences.

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors, but our in house testing proves its better. What's that? Sorry, we don't publish our internal testing reports.

You guys are not helping RP's case in these type of threads.


I'm not in their market though, as I buy syn with rebate deals. I just find these threads entertaining

Just to clarify, every reputable oil company will do their internal testing with their main competitors and rarely any will publish detailed results. This is how Pennzoil and Mobil can make claims of "our oil cleans xx times better than our competitors oil" but do you see them revealing exactly how they came to this conclusion? They may say ASTM test or that test but thats about it. No details other than that. So your argument here makes no sense to me. If i missed something let me know!



That being said, if they are all shady, I'll go with the cheapest one that meets my specs then.

They are not shady. They need to know hpw they stack up with their competitors.

 

[Nick1994]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors,


This false claim will never end no matter how many times you show it to not be more expensive. After spending a few years here at BITOG and seeing how this cost myth persists, no matter how many times you show it to be false, it is no wonder that false info spreads as the truth so easy. Also no surprise that it is so hard to get people to realize it is false.

Wish people would take their RP bias glasses off and actually read the info given that shows it is actually not more expensive and can be purchased at a competitive price vs. the competition.
In most cases RP is more expensive. If I wake up on a Sunday morning and say "I wanna change my oil today" it does cost more for RP than Mobil 1 or Castrol Edge. What I'm going to do is go to Walmart and go, oh, Mobil 1 is $22 or $25 and Royal Purple is $37.79. Comparing single quarts is an Apples to Oranges comparison for prices.

I shouldn't have to go out of my way for an oil change to hunt down the cheapest price on an expensive oil just to get the best deal. It's either Walmart or an AutoZone 5 quart jug deal, which won't be cheap either way for RP. It IS more expensive. If you were to add up the top 10 sellers prices and average out the price for RP and then for Mobil 1 you'd see Mobil 1 is cheaper. End of story.

 

[Dallas69]

Deven and nhhemi sitting in a tree....
Thats what this is turning into
David against Goliath

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Hi guys, I've got this here product, its more expensive than our competitors,


This false claim will never end no matter how many times you show it to not be more expensive. After spending a few years here at BITOG and seeing how this cost myth persists, no matter how many times you show it to be false, it is no wonder that false info spreads as the truth so easy. Also no surprise that it is so hard to get people to realize it is false.

Wish people would take their RP bias glasses off and actually read the info given that shows it is actually not more expensive and can be purchased at a competitive price vs. the competition.
In most cases RP is more expensive. If I wake up on a Sunday morning and say "I wanna change my oil today" it does cost more for RP than Mobil 1 or Castrol Edge. What I'm going to do is go to Walmart and go, oh, Mobil 1 is $22 or $25 and Royal Purple is $37.79. Comparing single quarts is an Apples to Oranges comparison for prices.

I shouldn't have to go out of my way for an oil change to hunt down the cheapest price on an expensive oil just to get the best deal. It's either Walmart or an AutoZone 5 quart jug deal, which won't be cheap either way for RP. It IS more expensive. If you were to add up the top 10 sellers prices and average out the price for RP and then for Mobil 1 you'd see Mobil 1 is cheaper. End of story.


It is not end of story because many of us, myself included, can wake up and drive to any number of local sources that are as close as Wal-Mart and get it for competitive pricing. Your argument is false when applied as a blanket statement.

Maybe for you, where you live, there is no local source that has RP priced competitively. That is fine and I certainly understand that. Different areas have different suppliers.

However, with that said, your logic only applies if you are talking about needing oil right away and not havng any local source with good prices. It is not an accurate, all inclusive, statement about RP pricing in general as you have made it for everyone. Some people have good priced local sources. Also, if you pre plan you can actually have RP on hand for the same or less than that M1 you talk of getting at the local Wal-Mart.

So, yes, RP would be more if you didn't have a local source with competitive pricing and if you hadn't planned ahead and ordered it for less. But, no, it is not more expensive if you have a local source like I do and/or if you plan ahead and order it so you have it on hand.

Again, you can't say RP is overpriced, too expensive, the most expensive, etc... as a blanket statement. There are ways to get it for decent prices.

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: deven
Yes, just like that thread 2005GT dude put up with micd info and pics. Even that was disregarded. RP will never be done right here on BITOG because PDS and MSDS and used oil analysis are king and how people here choose oil rather than real life experiences.


Data vs anecdotes?

You guys are horrible at this internet arguing thing!


And I'm not one to buy an oil on UOA etc - to me its price (I don't have any fancy spec requirements). PP w/ a rebate(s) is unbeatable currently. I usually buy when its $20 back on $22-27 purchase. RP will never fall into my category, no matter how it "performs". For my vehicles any oil SL or newer is just fine.

 

[Oily_hair]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

Again, you can't say RP is overpriced, too expensive, the most expensive, etc... as a blanket statement. There are ways to get it for decent prices.


It's overpriced....there I said it!

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Dallas69
Deven and nhhemi sitting in a tree....
Thats what this is turning into
David against Goliath


Well, you are welcome to throw personal insults at us and make fun of us if it makes you feel better. It certainly doesn't make what you say somehow more accurate. Personal insults are nothing but the last resort of someone who can't defend their position any longer. You can't refute what we say so instead you make a personal attack. Very mature.

Deven and I have actually used RP. That is something most of the naysayers can not say. That should mean something to a rational person willing to try and learn. I know who I would listen to if I was an outsider reading this. I would listen to the people who used it and are universally saying it has worked great rather than people who haven't used it and say it is bad because it is purple or overpriced( which has been shown to be untrue ).

Both of us have used it and used it a lot plus we have both done multiple engine tear downs( him more than me but I have done multiple )and seen what a good job RP does. I have posted used oil analysis here where it has done well too. Can you say the same? Do you have personal bad experience/used oil analysis to share to back up your negative comments?

Both of us have provided data, pricing info, etc... to refute the negative claims you and others have made but as is the norm here the naysayers won't listen. They just take the same lame argument and twist it into another direction to come at RP with.

So again, if you feel making personal insults somehow furthers your views and somehow makes you right then have it sir. You must feel really good after your post. Can't speak for deven but I impressed. Oooh...

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: deven
Yes, just like that thread 2005GT dude put up with micd info and pics. Even that was disregarded. RP will never be done right here on BITOG because PDS and MSDS and used oil analysis are king and how people here choose oil rather than real life experiences.


Data vs anecdotes?

You guys are horrible at this internet arguing thing!


And I'm not one to buy an oil on UOA etc - to me its price (I don't have any fancy spec requirements). PP w/ a rebate(s) is unbeatable currently. I usually buy when its $20 back on $22-27 purchase. RP will never fall into my category, no matter how it "performs". For my vehicles any oil SL or newer is just fine.


The thread deven referred too about the Mustang run on RP vs. M1 was not anecdote. It involved actual engine tear downs and measuring the cams for wear. RP won by a long shot. That is not anecdote that is cold hard data. So unless you consider actually measuring wear between 2 oils with an actual tear down and measurements to be anecdotes I think you missed the ball on that one. Also, both deven and I have done multiple engine tear downs of engines run only on RP and seen 1st hand how good it does. Deven even owns a speed shop. I would say his real world experience goes far beyond "anecdote". So does mine for that matter as I did a lot of work on engines back when I was into drag racing, muscle cars, and hot rodding.

Further you claim devens comments to be mere anecdote and not data which implies data is better( it is I agree )but then you say used oil analysis, which are significant data sources when oils are being discussed, don't matter. Now you say only price matters. Seems to me you are having a little trouble with this whole "internet arguing thing" yourself. You are contradicting yourself big time.

If price is all that matters to you that is fine. When did deven or myself say that wasn't? Neither of us has told anyone that your choices are wrong or bad. If you base your oil use of nothing but whatever you can find cheapest on sale that meets your minimum requirements that is cool with me. Not everyone does though. Many of us have preferred brands. Just because you buy whatever you can get on sale, closeout. BOGO, with big rebates, etc... it doesn't make RP overpriced.

You guys are funny.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: deven
Yes, just like that thread 2005GT dude put up with micd info and pics. Even that was disregarded. RP will never be done right here on BITOG because PDS and MSDS and used oil analysis are king and how people here choose oil rather than real life experiences.


Data vs anecdotes?

You guys are horrible at this internet arguing thing!


And I'm not one to buy an oil on used oil analysis etc - to me its price (I don't have any fancy spec requirements). PP w/ a rebate(s) is unbeatable currently. I usually buy when its $20 back on $22-27 purchase. RP will never fall into my category, no matter how it "performs". For my vehicles any oil SL or newer is just fine.


The thread deven referred too about the Mustang run on RP vs. M1 was not anecdote. It involved actual engine tear downs and measuring the cams for wear. RP won by a long shot. That is not anecdote that is cold hard data. So unless you consider actually measuring wear between 2 oils with an actual tear down and measurements to be anecdotes I think you missed the ball on that one. Also, both deven and I have done multiple engine tear downs of engines run only on RP and seen 1st hand how good it does. Deven even owns a speed shop. I would say his real world experience goes far beyond "anecdote". So does mine for that matter as I did a lot of work on engines back when I was into drag racing, muscle cars, and hot rodding.

Further you claim devens comments to be mere anecdote and not data which implies data is better( it is I agree )but then you say used oil analysis, which are significant data sources when oils are being discussed, don't matter. Now you say only price matters. Seems to me you are having a little trouble with this whole "internet arguing thing" yourself. You are contradicting yourself big time.

If price is all that matters to you that is fine. When did deven or myself say that wasn't? Neither of us has told anyone that your choices are wrong or bad. If you base your oil use of nothing but whatever you can find cheapest on sale that meets your minimum requirements that is cool with me. Not everyone does though. Many of us have preferred brands. Just because you buy whatever you can get on sale, closeout. BOGO, with big rebates, etc... it doesn't make RP overpriced.

You guys are funny.


That was a GOOD thread HEMI!! I remember that one. Imo (and from my used oil analysis) RP Synerlec is one of the best oils. So my vote is yes,RP is worth the $. Last time I checked,RP HPS was $9 a quart,same price (maybe a lil cheaper in some cases) as all the other high end boutiques.

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: deven
Yes, just like that thread 2005GT dude put up with micd info and pics. Even that was disregarded. RP will never be done right here on BITOG because PDS and MSDS and used oil analysis are king and how people here choose oil rather than real life experiences.


Data vs anecdotes?

You guys are horrible at this internet arguing thing!


And I'm not one to buy an oil on UOA etc - to me its price (I don't have any fancy spec requirements). PP w/ a rebate(s) is unbeatable currently. I usually buy when its $20 back on $22-27 purchase. RP will never fall into my category, no matter how it "performs". For my vehicles any oil SL or newer is just fine.


The thread deven referred too about the Mustang run on RP vs. M1 was not anecdote. It involved actual engine tear downs and measuring the cams for wear. RP won by a long shot. That is not anecdote that is cold hard data. So unless you consider actually measuring wear between 2 oils with an actual tear down and measurements to be anecdotes I think you missed the ball on that one. Also, both deven and I have done multiple engine tear downs of engines run only on RP and seen 1st hand how good it does. Deven even owns a speed shop. I would say his real world experience goes far beyond "anecdote". So does mine for that matter as I did a lot of work on engines back when I was into drag racing, muscle cars, and hot rodding.

Further you claim devens comments to be mere anecdote and not data which implies data is better( it is I agree )but then you say used oil analysis, which are significant data sources when oils are being discussed, don't matter. Now you say only price matters. Seems to me you are having a little trouble with this whole "internet arguing thing" yourself. You are contradicting yourself big time.

If price is all that matters to you that is fine. When did deven or myself say that wasn't? Neither of us has told anyone that your choices are wrong or bad. If you base your oil use of nothing but whatever you can find cheapest on sale that meets your minimum requirements that is cool with me. Not everyone does though. Many of us have preferred brands. Just because you buy whatever you can get on sale, closeout. BOGO, with big rebates, etc... it doesn't make RP overpriced.

You guys are funny.

Thank you NHHEMI for backing me up. To make a further point, that thread had so much anecdotal evidence and it assured one claim RP makes which was micropolishing of the cams with every use. Funny thing is, on this site you wont get better anecdotal evidence than that. I have never seen an engine teardown with micd measurement with ANY OTHER oil. Its comical that the only real data we have of how well an oil protects the engine is of RP and people completely negate it.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: deven
Yes, just like that thread 2005GT dude put up with micd info and pics. Even that was disregarded. RP will never be done right here on BITOG because PDS and MSDS and used oil analysis are king and how people here choose oil rather than real life experiences.


Data vs anecdotes?

You guys are horrible at this internet arguing thing!


And I'm not one to buy an oil on UOA etc - to me its price (I don't have any fancy spec requirements). PP w/ a rebate(s) is unbeatable currently. I usually buy when its $20 back on $22-27 purchase. RP will never fall into my category, no matter how it "performs". For my vehicles any oil SL or newer is just fine.


The thread deven referred too about the Mustang run on RP vs. M1 was not anecdote. It involved actual engine tear downs and measuring the cams for wear. RP won by a long shot. That is not anecdote that is cold hard data. So unless you consider actually measuring wear between 2 oils with an actual tear down and measurements to be anecdotes I think you missed the ball on that one. Also, both deven and I have done multiple engine tear downs of engines run only on RP and seen 1st hand how good it does. Deven even owns a speed shop. I would say his real world experience goes far beyond "anecdote". So does mine for that matter as I did a lot of work on engines back when I was into drag racing, muscle cars, and hot rodding.

Further you claim devens comments to be mere anecdote and not data which implies data is better( it is I agree )but then you say used oil analysis, which are significant data sources when oils are being discussed, don't matter. Now you say only price matters. Seems to me you are having a little trouble with this whole "internet arguing thing" yourself. You are contradicting yourself big time.

If price is all that matters to you that is fine. When did deven or myself say that wasn't? Neither of us has told anyone that your choices are wrong or bad. If you base your oil use of nothing but whatever you can find cheapest on sale that meets your minimum requirements that is cool with me. Not everyone does though. Many of us have preferred brands. Just because you buy whatever you can get on sale, closeout. BOGO, with big rebates, etc... it doesn't make RP overpriced.

You guys are funny.

Thank you NHHEMI for backing me up. To make a further point, that thread had so much anecdotal evidence and it assured one claim RP makes which was micropolishing of the cams with every use. Funny thing is, on this site you wont get better anecdotal evidence than that. I have never seen an engine teardown with micd measurement with ANY OTHER oil. Its comical that the only real data we have of how well an oil protects the engine is of RP and people completely negate it.


They even took micro measurements of the cams,etc. That has to be my all time fave BITOG thread!