Hopefully the information will help someone who's more open minded.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
Is Royal purple worth the extra $$?
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Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
RP is not "bad" it is just expensive compare to its peers. The question was not a "good/bad" it ask the "worth". If money is no issue, then the point is moot. If money is a reasonable variable, the I and a lot of other folks say "no".
This is the only thing worth responding to in all of that and is where I will focus. You need to make up your mind. Are you comparing RP to the cheapest conventional oil you can find that meets your needs or are you comparing it to it's "peers"? Please pick one and stay with it so I can follow what you say.
Conventional oil like Pennzoil Conventional, VVLWB, QS, etc... are NOT RP's peers. RP is a synthetic oil and despite some trying to say otherwise, and despite comments from those who disbelieve, it is a GRP IV PAO based synthetic as well. As good as say Pennzoil Conventional is it is not a peer of RP synthetic oils.
It's peers would really depend on what formula you talk of. If you are talking RP HPS you would be taking about Redline and Amsoil's top of the line as it's peers. If you want to discuss the API stuff a valid comparison is to oils like Amsoil XL, Pennzoil Ultra, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, etc...
The prices, ONCE AGAIN
, are no higher than it's "peers". Yes, you can buy Mobil 1 Extended Performance for less in a 5qt jug at Wal-Mart than you can buy qt bottles of RP API at a parts store as a rule. That doesn't mean that is the only option to buy RP API and that it will cost you $9-$10 a qt everywhere.
I can get RP API( and even HPS )at pricing that matches or even beats those 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart as I have said repeatedly but people just ignore it. People for the love of god wake up. RP is no more expensive than name brand oils. Qt bottle to qt bottles the price matches up. Shop around and it can be had at prices even better than the Wal-Mart 5qt jugs.
Good lord!
RP is not "bad" it is just expensive compare to its peers. The question was not a "good/bad" it ask the "worth". If money is no issue, then the point is moot. If money is a reasonable variable, the I and a lot of other folks say "no".
This is the only thing worth responding to in all of that and is where I will focus. You need to make up your mind. Are you comparing RP to the cheapest conventional oil you can find that meets your needs or are you comparing it to it's "peers"? Please pick one and stay with it so I can follow what you say.
Conventional oil like Pennzoil Conventional, VVLWB, QS, etc... are NOT RP's peers. RP is a synthetic oil and despite some trying to say otherwise, and despite comments from those who disbelieve, it is a GRP IV PAO based synthetic as well. As good as say Pennzoil Conventional is it is not a peer of RP synthetic oils.
It's peers would really depend on what formula you talk of. If you are talking RP HPS you would be taking about Redline and Amsoil's top of the line as it's peers. If you want to discuss the API stuff a valid comparison is to oils like Amsoil XL, Pennzoil Ultra, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, etc...
The prices, ONCE AGAIN
I can get RP API( and even HPS )at pricing that matches or even beats those 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart as I have said repeatedly but people just ignore it. People for the love of god wake up. RP is no more expensive than name brand oils. Qt bottle to qt bottles the price matches up. Shop around and it can be had at prices even better than the Wal-Mart 5qt jugs.
Good lord!
Originally Posted By: deven
Hopefully the information will help someone who's more open minded.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
Thanks deven.
That is a typical response from RP. They tell you as much as they can and tell you straight. No twisted, non committal, type responses. Just the truth.
I know some of the guys there as well( or I did - they get moved around a lot )from my days on the HEMI forums and they are all straight shooting good guys.
Hopefully the information will help someone who's more open minded.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
Thanks deven.
That is a typical response from RP. They tell you as much as they can and tell you straight. No twisted, non committal, type responses. Just the truth.
I know some of the guys there as well( or I did - they get moved around a lot )from my days on the HEMI forums and they are all straight shooting good guys.
Originally Posted By: WillB
Is RP worth paying the premium for? Gesr oil? trans fluid? engine oil?
Engine oil?
No. Synpower and NAPA syn have the same add pack and are less costly. We have no way of knowing what basestock blend is used in any of these oils.
Gear oil?
Probably not when you can buy known good M1 for the same dollars or less.
Trans Fluid?
I guess you're meaning ATF and there are many good synthetic choices for fewer dollars.
Oil filters?
You didn't bring this up, but others did. There are many quality long drain filters out there for fewer dollars.
There is nothing exceptional enough about any RP product to justify the price premium, unless you just want to try RP, in which case you might as well pay the price to try the stuff.
Nothing wrong with any RP product, but the price premium is more a matter of marketing than superior performance.
JMHO
Is RP worth paying the premium for? Gesr oil? trans fluid? engine oil?
Engine oil?
No. Synpower and NAPA syn have the same add pack and are less costly. We have no way of knowing what basestock blend is used in any of these oils.
Gear oil?
Probably not when you can buy known good M1 for the same dollars or less.
Trans Fluid?
I guess you're meaning ATF and there are many good synthetic choices for fewer dollars.
Oil filters?
You didn't bring this up, but others did. There are many quality long drain filters out there for fewer dollars.
There is nothing exceptional enough about any RP product to justify the price premium, unless you just want to try RP, in which case you might as well pay the price to try the stuff.
Nothing wrong with any RP product, but the price premium is more a matter of marketing than superior performance.
JMHO
Originally Posted By: deven
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: deven
Hopefully the information will help someone who's more open minded.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
Thanks deven.
That is a typical response from RP. They tell you as much as they can and tell you straight. No twisted, non committal, type responses. Just the truth.
I know some of the guys there as well( or I did - they get moved around a lot )from my days on the HEMI forums and they are all straight shooting good guys.
They really are. Thats why I choose to give my money to them. I have emailed Mobil and Pennzoil asking about their base stock and all I get from them is that its proprietary information.
Originally Posted By: deven
Hopefully the information will help someone who's more open minded.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
Thanks deven.
That is a typical response from RP. They tell you as much as they can and tell you straight. No twisted, non committal, type responses. Just the truth.
I know some of the guys there as well( or I did - they get moved around a lot )from my days on the HEMI forums and they are all straight shooting good guys.
They really are. Thats why I choose to give my money to them. I have emailed Mobil and Pennzoil asking about their base stock and all I get from them is that its proprietary information.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: deven
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
Dave you can think whatever your heart desires. I am not "redact"ing anything.
Originally Posted By: deven
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
Dave you can think whatever your heart desires. I am not "redact"ing anything.
So what's the general consensus? Is it worth the money or not?
Nick1994
$100 site donor 2024
Originally Posted By: 147_Grain
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
So what's the general consensus? Is it worth the money or not?
No! There are a half dozen other options that perform equal or better for 30% less cost.
+1
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
So what's the general consensus? Is it worth the money or not?
No! There are a half dozen other options that perform equal or better for 30% less cost.
+1
I overhauled my engine 2 months ago in my 1993 Toyota 4x4 with the 22RE engine. I was amazed at how clean it was and since my wife and I are original owners, I've used Mobil 1 since day 1. My co-worker who also works on cars was shock at the clean engine. A couple of times I used Amsoil, Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec and Edge and Pennzoil Platinum Ultra but synthetics it's whole life but mainly Mobil 1. I don't think it's worth the cost for RP and don't think one oil is significantly better than the other. My OCI is 5,000 miles and now use Mobil 1 High Mileage.
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
So what's the general consensus? Is it worth the money or not?
Definite NO for me at this time. That could change if someone can prove its better than what I currently use, and then I'd have be able to consistently be able to buy it for less. I doubt either will happen.
Obviously yes for a few others though.
So what's the general consensus? Is it worth the money or not?
Definite NO for me at this time. That could change if someone can prove its better than what I currently use, and then I'd have be able to consistently be able to buy it for less. I doubt either will happen.
Obviously yes for a few others though.
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: deven
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
What is it about the post that makes you think it is not from an employee of Royal Purple? Sounds pretty knowledgeable about the product to me.
Originally Posted By: deven
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
What is it about the post that makes you think it is not from an employee of Royal Purple? Sounds pretty knowledgeable about the product to me.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: deven
Hopefully the information will help someone who's more open minded.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
Thanks deven.
That is a typical response from RP. They tell you as much as they can and tell you straight. No twisted, non committal, type responses. Just the truth.
I know some of the guys there as well( or I did - they get moved around a lot )from my days on the HEMI forums and they are all straight shooting good guys.
I was a little surprised that he was down-talking their API oils, at least in comparison to their HPS line. I think many here would agree that their oils containing the Synerlec additive give excellent wear resistance.
I had some contact with RP a few years ago when I was looking for advice in using their Purple Ice cooling system treatment. The rep was professional and informative.
Originally Posted By: deven
Hopefully the information will help someone who's more open minded.
I'm done with this thread. Yup put a fork in me.
Thanks deven.
That is a typical response from RP. They tell you as much as they can and tell you straight. No twisted, non committal, type responses. Just the truth.
I know some of the guys there as well( or I did - they get moved around a lot )from my days on the HEMI forums and they are all straight shooting good guys.
I was a little surprised that he was down-talking their API oils, at least in comparison to their HPS line. I think many here would agree that their oils containing the Synerlec additive give excellent wear resistance.
I had some contact with RP a few years ago when I was looking for advice in using their Purple Ice cooling system treatment. The rep was professional and informative.
RP lovers cant deal with anyone not also loving it at any cost
This thread is about cost only but some are bringing up other things
I find it very odd that the users are so fanatical-its only motor oil guys
It would not surprize me if they didnt go door to door trying to get converts and if not then burning down the house
This thread is about cost only but some are bringing up other things
I find it very odd that the users are so fanatical-its only motor oil guys
It would not surprize me if they didnt go door to door trying to get converts and if not then burning down the house
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
RP is not "bad" it is just expensive compare to its peers. The question was not a "good/bad" it ask the "worth". If money is no issue, then the point is moot. If money is a reasonable variable, the I and a lot of other folks say "no".
This is the only thing worth responding to in all of that and is where I will focus. You need to make up your mind. Are you comparing RP to the cheapest conventional oil you can find that meets your needs or are you comparing it to it's "peers"? Please pick one and stay with it so I can follow what you say.
Conventional oil like Pennzoil Conventional, VVLWB, QS, etc... are NOT RP's peers. RP is a synthetic oil and despite some trying to say otherwise, and despite comments from those who disbelieve, it is a GRP IV PAO based synthetic as well. As good as say Pennzoil Conventional is it is not a peer of RP synthetic oils.
It's peers would really depend on what formula you talk of. If you are talking RP HPS you would be taking about Redline and Amsoil's top of the line as it's peers. If you want to discuss the API stuff a valid comparison is to oils like Amsoil XL, Pennzoil Ultra, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, etc...
The prices, ONCE AGAIN
, are no higher than it's "peers". Yes, you can buy Mobil 1 Extended Performance for less in a 5qt jug at Wal-Mart than you can buy qt bottles of RP API at a parts store as a rule. That doesn't mean that is the only option to buy RP API and that it will cost you $9-$10 a qt everywhere.
I can get RP API( and even HPS )at pricing that matches or even beats those 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart as I have said repeatedly but people just ignore it. People for the love of god wake up. RP is no more expensive than name brand oils. Qt bottle to qt bottles the price matches up. Shop around and it can be had at prices even better than the Wal-Mart 5qt jugs.
Good lord!
Did you BOTHER looking at the "peer-Syn" cost comparison at the local store? You know, the stuff that is ACTUALLY on the shelf? When did I compare RP to Pennzoil Conventional? RP was the highest (by 7 percent of individual qts over the next highest Syn). Highest by 29% based on the "oil change special" cost (and RP was on special) vs Valvoline Syn and Castrol. I was not comparing RP to conventional. That is orange to clementine comparison (we can do that comparison if you like... since you assume it is my argument). You can find RP for less than Walmart or Local AP stores... but you can ALSO find the other options (M1, Pennzoil Syn, Castrol, etc) for less. RP is constantly 5-30% higher. That is the trick. If you say I must "shop around" fine, but to "shop around" and then take the basic "not-shopped-around" price for other is the flaw in your argument. In the last 10 months, I could find 5qts of M1 for $21 ($4.20 per qt not including a rebate), I paid $3.60 for my nothing-fancy, plain-jane-who-knew-it-was-synthetic Havoline "Syn". Can you match that with RP? How about the mid-level G3 "Syns"? I think enough folks have already pointed out some flaws with some of RP's claims about their base-stock (and base-stock is not everything... because how it performs is more important than the ingredients). Is RP API providing anything more than PP? That is $5.29 per individual quart here off-the-shelf at the local Napa. Is RP going to give you more than $3.50 Napa Syn for 99% applications? Because, dang, they look identical in everything but the price.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/napasyn.htm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/roylprp.htm
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
RP is not "bad" it is just expensive compare to its peers. The question was not a "good/bad" it ask the "worth". If money is no issue, then the point is moot. If money is a reasonable variable, the I and a lot of other folks say "no".
This is the only thing worth responding to in all of that and is where I will focus. You need to make up your mind. Are you comparing RP to the cheapest conventional oil you can find that meets your needs or are you comparing it to it's "peers"? Please pick one and stay with it so I can follow what you say.
Conventional oil like Pennzoil Conventional, VVLWB, QS, etc... are NOT RP's peers. RP is a synthetic oil and despite some trying to say otherwise, and despite comments from those who disbelieve, it is a GRP IV PAO based synthetic as well. As good as say Pennzoil Conventional is it is not a peer of RP synthetic oils.
It's peers would really depend on what formula you talk of. If you are talking RP HPS you would be taking about Redline and Amsoil's top of the line as it's peers. If you want to discuss the API stuff a valid comparison is to oils like Amsoil XL, Pennzoil Ultra, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, etc...
The prices, ONCE AGAIN
I can get RP API( and even HPS )at pricing that matches or even beats those 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart as I have said repeatedly but people just ignore it. People for the love of god wake up. RP is no more expensive than name brand oils. Qt bottle to qt bottles the price matches up. Shop around and it can be had at prices even better than the Wal-Mart 5qt jugs.
Good lord!
Did you BOTHER looking at the "peer-Syn" cost comparison at the local store? You know, the stuff that is ACTUALLY on the shelf? When did I compare RP to Pennzoil Conventional? RP was the highest (by 7 percent of individual qts over the next highest Syn). Highest by 29% based on the "oil change special" cost (and RP was on special) vs Valvoline Syn and Castrol. I was not comparing RP to conventional. That is orange to clementine comparison (we can do that comparison if you like... since you assume it is my argument). You can find RP for less than Walmart or Local AP stores... but you can ALSO find the other options (M1, Pennzoil Syn, Castrol, etc) for less. RP is constantly 5-30% higher. That is the trick. If you say I must "shop around" fine, but to "shop around" and then take the basic "not-shopped-around" price for other is the flaw in your argument. In the last 10 months, I could find 5qts of M1 for $21 ($4.20 per qt not including a rebate), I paid $3.60 for my nothing-fancy, plain-jane-who-knew-it-was-synthetic Havoline "Syn". Can you match that with RP? How about the mid-level G3 "Syns"? I think enough folks have already pointed out some flaws with some of RP's claims about their base-stock (and base-stock is not everything... because how it performs is more important than the ingredients). Is RP API providing anything more than PP? That is $5.29 per individual quart here off-the-shelf at the local Napa. Is RP going to give you more than $3.50 Napa Syn for 99% applications? Because, dang, they look identical in everything but the price.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/napasyn.htm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/roylprp.htm
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Did you BOTHER looking at the "peer-Syn" cost comparison at the local store? You know, the stuff that is ACTUALLY on the shelf?
Dude are you serious? Try going back to page 7 of this ridiculous thread and see if "I" bothered to compare prices. Wow!
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
When did I compare Royal Purple to Pennzoil conventional? Royal Purple was the highest (by 7 percent of individual qts over the next highest Syn). Highest by 29% based on the "oil change special" cost (and RP was on special) vs Valvoline Syn and Castrol. I was not comparing RP to conventional. That is orange to clementine comparison (we can do that comparison if you like... since you assume it is my argument).
Your initial comments I responded to sure sounded like you were a conventional oil user and that is what you were talking about with the comments about cheapest oil that gets you to through the life of the vehicle. That is a conventional oil argument not a synthetic oil one. If I was mistaken fine. My error.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
You can find RP for less than Walmart or Local AP stores... but you can ALSO find the other options (M1, Pennzoil Syn, Castrol, etc) for less. RP is constantly 5-30% higher. That is the trick. If you say I must "shop around" fine, but to "shop around" and then take the basic "not-shopped-around" price for other is the flaw in your argument.
There is no flaw in my argument at all. People ALWAYS use the full retail( no sales and no deals )cost of RP to justify saying it is overpriced. That is fact. People don't say I can get RP for $4.99 a qt but it is too much because I can get PP on sale for $3.99. No, they say RP cost $10 a qt and I can buy M1 for $5 in 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart or I can get it for $4.50 on sale. My comments are directed specifically at what others are saying. People say RP costs $10 period. They never allow for deals or even that there are places where it can be had cheap at normal costs. I simply point out that is untrue. On the shelf qt bottle to qt bottle RP is no more expensive than the name brand oils. Fact( with the exception of QS recently for some reason ). I also point out if you shop around you can find RP at prices that match or beat Wal-Mart 5qt jugs deals( and lets be fair those are basically everyday sales not what they would sell for anywhere else )that everyone uses in these arguments to say RP is too high. Fact. The traditional argument here against the cost of RP has always been, and is still in this thread, I can buy M1 for $5 a qt in the 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart so RP at $10 a qt is too high. Where is your concern over comparing 5qt jug deals that are heavily discounted everyday to qt bottle pricing that is full retail?
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
In the last 10 months, I could find 5qts of M1 for $21 ($4.20 per qt not including a rebate), I paid $3.60 for my nothing-fancy, plain-jane-who-knew-it-was-synthetic Havoline "Syn". Can you match that with RP?
As I have said repeatedly in this thread, within the last year or so, I have paid $4.80 p/qt and $5.66 p/qt for 5W20 RP API. You know what I have paid so why are you asking again? Those prices match up or beat Wal-Mart 5qt jug prices which again is what most people on here use to justify calling RP overpriced( at it's full retail cost ). Not sure what else to say. Ok, you got Havoline syn , clearly on sale, for $3.60 a qt. Good for you. It is not in the same class(IMO) as RP. If that is what you want to run though and it meets your needs great. Use it, what do I care? If I had to use an oil that would come near that price point I would buy Kendall GT! full synthetic which would cost me $3.96 a qt shipped to my home( as I also posted earlier )which would be a much better oil just as RP is vs. Havoline.
Most likely the best deal on RP I could get these days, without buying 2-3 cases + at one time, would be if PepBoys offered their great RP deal again( usually happens in February each year ). That would be 5qts + an RP filter @ $39.99. To figure the oil cost I would take away the RP filter cost( $14.99 )which then leaves $25.00. I would then use one of my $10 Rewards cards lowering it to $15.00. 5 / $15.00 = $3.00 a qt. Is that low enough for you? Am I allowed to use sale pricing and deals like everyone else does? If not then regular cost best deal I can do most likely is from a speed shop source of mine where I would have to buy 2-3 cases but the final qt cost would be somewhere around $4.50 a qt. Is that low enough for you? Am I allowed to use a purchase from a wholesaler like that or not? I am never sure of the rules here when it comes to BITOG pricing. Seems like the anti's can quote close outs, BOGO pricing, rebates, sales, etc... but RP folks can't and must go with full retail qt pricing at a parts store of $9-$10.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
How about the mid-level G3 "Syns"? I think enough folks have already pointed out some flaws with some of RP's claims about their base-stock (and base-stock is not everything... because how it performs is more important than the ingredients). Is RP API providing anything more than PP? That is $5.29 per individual quart here off-the-shelf at the local Napa. Is RP going to give you more than $3.50 Napa Syn for 99% applications? Because, dang, they look identical in everything but the price.
$5.29 a qt for PP and $3.50 a qt for house brand at Napa? Um, PP hasn't been at that price point regular retail since like 2008 or 2009? Those seem awfully low unless they are on clearance or a big sale. PP for $5.29 a qt regular retail is even cheaper p/qt bottle than Wal-Mart( may even be less than 5qt jug pricing ). When I look at Napa's website( using a Raleigh, NC zip code to check pricing as you are in NC )I don't see that pricing. I see Napa synthetic 5W20 at $5.49 p/qt and Pennzoil 5W20 synthetic( didn't see PP saw the new line PPU or whatever it is )for $9.99 p/qt. FWIW RP 5W20 API shows at $9.69p/qt so it is actually LESS than the Pennzoil(
). Whatever though.
EDIT - doing a search specifically for Pennzoil Platinum I get it to come up showing $5.29 p/qt for 5W20. Have to call store though to see if they have it which seems to indicate it is on clearance of being dq'd or the like? It does show $5.29 however.
So comments directly from an RP employee in tech support definitively stating they only use PAO/POE base stocks in their oils( couple exceptions that don't apply to this discussion )isn't enough. You instead want to believe some unknown person on this forum saying it isn't. Wow. Not sure how to respond to that?
I do agree that how an oil performs is probably the most important factor. For me it is. RP has always performed exemplary for me. It is why I continue to use it to this day. So when did you use it, and have it perform poorly, to justify claims that it is not worth it's cost, doesn't perform any better than mid level G3 synthetics, etc...? I mean you sure do have a strong opinion on it but it appears you have never used it. I don't understand how that can be? Seems odd. I don't give a hoot and a half about what PQIA says either. Their tests don't negate what I have seen in real world performance 1st hand( for decades with RP products and backed up by used oil analysis ).
I don't think we have anything left to say to each other. You clearly have your mind made up that RP is inferior and/or not worth any price. To you there will always be a way to find an oil that is cheaper to justify saying RP costs too much. That is fine. To each his or her own. I simply want to point out that these cost arguments used against RP are nothing but hogwash. There are some members here that should run political campaigns they are so adept at skewing reality to suit their argument.
I have shown RP can be had for "competitive" pricing vs. the name brand oils and that includes 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart. I can even beat those Wal-Mart deals at times with very little effort( quick check of the internet or just call one of my local sources - usually takes me all of 5-10 minutes to find RP at a good price ). You can almost always find something cheaper however if you look hard enough so the naysayers, like the one I am talking with here, can find something to come in lower such as his Havoline for $3.60. What can you do. I never sad RP was the cheapest oil out there just that it is not THE most expensive the way people make it out to be.
Let's move on. You had your say I have had mine enough. You definitely won't change my mind and I for darn sure won't change yours so what is the point?
Did you BOTHER looking at the "peer-Syn" cost comparison at the local store? You know, the stuff that is ACTUALLY on the shelf?
Dude are you serious? Try going back to page 7 of this ridiculous thread and see if "I" bothered to compare prices. Wow!
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
When did I compare Royal Purple to Pennzoil conventional? Royal Purple was the highest (by 7 percent of individual qts over the next highest Syn). Highest by 29% based on the "oil change special" cost (and RP was on special) vs Valvoline Syn and Castrol. I was not comparing RP to conventional. That is orange to clementine comparison (we can do that comparison if you like... since you assume it is my argument).
Your initial comments I responded to sure sounded like you were a conventional oil user and that is what you were talking about with the comments about cheapest oil that gets you to through the life of the vehicle. That is a conventional oil argument not a synthetic oil one. If I was mistaken fine. My error.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
You can find RP for less than Walmart or Local AP stores... but you can ALSO find the other options (M1, Pennzoil Syn, Castrol, etc) for less. RP is constantly 5-30% higher. That is the trick. If you say I must "shop around" fine, but to "shop around" and then take the basic "not-shopped-around" price for other is the flaw in your argument.
There is no flaw in my argument at all. People ALWAYS use the full retail( no sales and no deals )cost of RP to justify saying it is overpriced. That is fact. People don't say I can get RP for $4.99 a qt but it is too much because I can get PP on sale for $3.99. No, they say RP cost $10 a qt and I can buy M1 for $5 in 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart or I can get it for $4.50 on sale. My comments are directed specifically at what others are saying. People say RP costs $10 period. They never allow for deals or even that there are places where it can be had cheap at normal costs. I simply point out that is untrue. On the shelf qt bottle to qt bottle RP is no more expensive than the name brand oils. Fact( with the exception of QS recently for some reason ). I also point out if you shop around you can find RP at prices that match or beat Wal-Mart 5qt jugs deals( and lets be fair those are basically everyday sales not what they would sell for anywhere else )that everyone uses in these arguments to say RP is too high. Fact. The traditional argument here against the cost of RP has always been, and is still in this thread, I can buy M1 for $5 a qt in the 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart so RP at $10 a qt is too high. Where is your concern over comparing 5qt jug deals that are heavily discounted everyday to qt bottle pricing that is full retail?
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
In the last 10 months, I could find 5qts of M1 for $21 ($4.20 per qt not including a rebate), I paid $3.60 for my nothing-fancy, plain-jane-who-knew-it-was-synthetic Havoline "Syn". Can you match that with RP?
As I have said repeatedly in this thread, within the last year or so, I have paid $4.80 p/qt and $5.66 p/qt for 5W20 RP API. You know what I have paid so why are you asking again? Those prices match up or beat Wal-Mart 5qt jug prices which again is what most people on here use to justify calling RP overpriced( at it's full retail cost ). Not sure what else to say. Ok, you got Havoline syn , clearly on sale, for $3.60 a qt. Good for you. It is not in the same class(IMO) as RP. If that is what you want to run though and it meets your needs great. Use it, what do I care? If I had to use an oil that would come near that price point I would buy Kendall GT! full synthetic which would cost me $3.96 a qt shipped to my home( as I also posted earlier )which would be a much better oil just as RP is vs. Havoline.
Most likely the best deal on RP I could get these days, without buying 2-3 cases + at one time, would be if PepBoys offered their great RP deal again( usually happens in February each year ). That would be 5qts + an RP filter @ $39.99. To figure the oil cost I would take away the RP filter cost( $14.99 )which then leaves $25.00. I would then use one of my $10 Rewards cards lowering it to $15.00. 5 / $15.00 = $3.00 a qt. Is that low enough for you? Am I allowed to use sale pricing and deals like everyone else does? If not then regular cost best deal I can do most likely is from a speed shop source of mine where I would have to buy 2-3 cases but the final qt cost would be somewhere around $4.50 a qt. Is that low enough for you? Am I allowed to use a purchase from a wholesaler like that or not? I am never sure of the rules here when it comes to BITOG pricing. Seems like the anti's can quote close outs, BOGO pricing, rebates, sales, etc... but RP folks can't and must go with full retail qt pricing at a parts store of $9-$10.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
How about the mid-level G3 "Syns"? I think enough folks have already pointed out some flaws with some of RP's claims about their base-stock (and base-stock is not everything... because how it performs is more important than the ingredients). Is RP API providing anything more than PP? That is $5.29 per individual quart here off-the-shelf at the local Napa. Is RP going to give you more than $3.50 Napa Syn for 99% applications? Because, dang, they look identical in everything but the price.
$5.29 a qt for PP and $3.50 a qt for house brand at Napa? Um, PP hasn't been at that price point regular retail since like 2008 or 2009? Those seem awfully low unless they are on clearance or a big sale. PP for $5.29 a qt regular retail is even cheaper p/qt bottle than Wal-Mart( may even be less than 5qt jug pricing ). When I look at Napa's website( using a Raleigh, NC zip code to check pricing as you are in NC )I don't see that pricing. I see Napa synthetic 5W20 at $5.49 p/qt and Pennzoil 5W20 synthetic( didn't see PP saw the new line PPU or whatever it is )for $9.99 p/qt. FWIW RP 5W20 API shows at $9.69p/qt so it is actually LESS than the Pennzoil(
EDIT - doing a search specifically for Pennzoil Platinum I get it to come up showing $5.29 p/qt for 5W20. Have to call store though to see if they have it which seems to indicate it is on clearance of being dq'd or the like? It does show $5.29 however.
So comments directly from an RP employee in tech support definitively stating they only use PAO/POE base stocks in their oils( couple exceptions that don't apply to this discussion )isn't enough. You instead want to believe some unknown person on this forum saying it isn't. Wow. Not sure how to respond to that?
I do agree that how an oil performs is probably the most important factor. For me it is. RP has always performed exemplary for me. It is why I continue to use it to this day. So when did you use it, and have it perform poorly, to justify claims that it is not worth it's cost, doesn't perform any better than mid level G3 synthetics, etc...? I mean you sure do have a strong opinion on it but it appears you have never used it. I don't understand how that can be? Seems odd. I don't give a hoot and a half about what PQIA says either. Their tests don't negate what I have seen in real world performance 1st hand( for decades with RP products and backed up by used oil analysis ).
I don't think we have anything left to say to each other. You clearly have your mind made up that RP is inferior and/or not worth any price. To you there will always be a way to find an oil that is cheaper to justify saying RP costs too much. That is fine. To each his or her own. I simply want to point out that these cost arguments used against RP are nothing but hogwash. There are some members here that should run political campaigns they are so adept at skewing reality to suit their argument.
I have shown RP can be had for "competitive" pricing vs. the name brand oils and that includes 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart. I can even beat those Wal-Mart deals at times with very little effort( quick check of the internet or just call one of my local sources - usually takes me all of 5-10 minutes to find RP at a good price ). You can almost always find something cheaper however if you look hard enough so the naysayers, like the one I am talking with here, can find something to come in lower such as his Havoline for $3.60. What can you do. I never sad RP was the cheapest oil out there just that it is not THE most expensive the way people make it out to be.
Let's move on. You had your say I have had mine enough. You definitely won't change my mind and I for darn sure won't change yours so what is the point?
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: deven
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
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P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
What is it about the post that makes you think it is not from an employee of Royal Purple? Sounds pretty knowledgeable about the product to me.
It sounds like that because Jimmy and I have a personal relationship as well. We literally call each other and talk Stangs, cars and racing. Like I have said, if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you'll find a lot of informative posts by him.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: deven
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
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P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
This is not the official word from Royal Purple. I will give you the opportunity to redact this post or for "Jimmy" to do so. If you are going to post a reply from a "representative" at least get the company name right.
What is it about the post that makes you think it is not from an employee of Royal Purple? Sounds pretty knowledgeable about the product to me.
It sounds like that because Jimmy and I have a personal relationship as well. We literally call each other and talk Stangs, cars and racing. Like I have said, if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you'll find a lot of informative posts by him.
"We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today."
belief does not equal fact
belief does not equal fact
Originally Posted By: surfstar
"We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today."
belief does not equal fact
Their belief is not blind. It comes from testing their product against other leading synthetics internally. He's told me that much. Yes they wont divulge what tests but having built a relationship with him, i will take his word. Y'all shouldnt though.
"We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today."
belief does not equal fact
Their belief is not blind. It comes from testing their product against other leading synthetics internally. He's told me that much. Yes they wont divulge what tests but having built a relationship with him, i will take his word. Y'all shouldnt though.
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