Please provide something that says RP is PAO based from Royal Purple other than a Facebook post. All you say is my "friend" says it is PAO. Sorry you have to do better than friend says.
Is Royal purple worth the extra $$?
- Thread starter WillB
- Start date
- Status
I went to the Royal Purple website for current numbers. I can't find them. Do they provide product data sheets with typical properties for their current offerings?
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Please provide something that says RP is PAO based from Royal Purple other than a Facebook post. All you say is my "friend" says it is PAO. Sorry you have to do better than friend says.
They are not my friends but colleagues. If I shoot him an email to clarify it, will that suffice?
Please provide something that says RP is PAO based from Royal Purple other than a Facebook post. All you say is my "friend" says it is PAO. Sorry you have to do better than friend says.
They are not my friends but colleagues. If I shoot him an email to clarify it, will that suffice?
Originally Posted By: GMorg
I went to the Royal Purple website for current numbers. I can't find them. Do they provide product data sheets with typical properties for their current offerings?
Yes click on the tab on the right side of the webpage that is labeled product sheet.
I went to the Royal Purple website for current numbers. I can't find them. Do they provide product data sheets with typical properties for their current offerings?
Yes click on the tab on the right side of the webpage that is labeled product sheet.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: GMorg
I went to the Royal Purple website for current numbers. I can't find them. Do they provide product data sheets with typical properties for their current offerings?
Yes click on the tab on the right side of the webpage that is labeled product sheet.
Their product sheet just has their microscope images and part numbers for the oil.
You have to go to FULL PRODUCT CATALOG to get the specs.
Originally Posted By: GMorg
I went to the Royal Purple website for current numbers. I can't find them. Do they provide product data sheets with typical properties for their current offerings?
Yes click on the tab on the right side of the webpage that is labeled product sheet.
Their product sheet just has their microscope images and part numbers for the oil.
You have to go to FULL PRODUCT CATALOG to get the specs.
Honestly.....who cares if it's pao or not. What specs does it meet and have certifications for? What's the ccv?hows the tbn retention. How does do in used oil analysis,and I'm not talking about wear. I'm talking about an actual maintenance plan and schedule where data has established trends and does that extra cost equate to more miles.
I like royal purple. I really like their synerlec stuff and in my opinion that's what made the oil special. Without it it's no better,or worse than a premium brand like ultra or Mobil 1,except it costs more.
This urine-saber duel is beyond absurd.
I used the automotive 20w-50,with synerlec in my harley immediately after draining Mobil 1 15w-50 because the bike tapped so loud I thought something was broken and my Harley's top end didn't even hint at tapping immediately after pouring it in.
I liked it,as well as redline and motul,so I do believe in the product.
I just don't believe it's cost effective when compared to other offerings with an api starburst.
And the purple colour is cool.
I like royal purple. I really like their synerlec stuff and in my opinion that's what made the oil special. Without it it's no better,or worse than a premium brand like ultra or Mobil 1,except it costs more.
This urine-saber duel is beyond absurd.
I used the automotive 20w-50,with synerlec in my harley immediately after draining Mobil 1 15w-50 because the bike tapped so loud I thought something was broken and my Harley's top end didn't even hint at tapping immediately after pouring it in.
I liked it,as well as redline and motul,so I do believe in the product.
I just don't believe it's cost effective when compared to other offerings with an api starburst.
And the purple colour is cool.
Apparently a few people posting in this thread do, but why I'm not sure. The obsession with base stock is misplaced I agree.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Honestly.....who cares if it's pao or not. What specs does it meet and have certifications for? What's the ccv?hows the tbn retention. How does do in used oil analysis,and I'm not talking about wear. I'm talking about an actual maintenance plan and schedule where data has established trends and does that extra cost equate to more miles.
I like royal purple. I really like their synerlec stuff and in my opinion that's what made the oil special. Without it it's no better,or worse than a premium brand like ultra or Mobil 1,except it costs more.
This urine-saber duel is beyond absurd.
I used the automotive 20w-50,with synerlec in my harley immediately after draining Mobil 1 15w-50 because the bike tapped so loud I thought something was broken and my Harley's top end didn't even hint at tapping immediately after pouring it in.
I liked it,as well as redline and motul,so I do believe in the product.
I just don't believe it's cost effective when compared to other offerings with an api starburst.
And the purple colour is cool.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Honestly.....who cares if it's pao or not. What specs does it meet and have certifications for? What's the ccv?hows the tbn retention. How does do in used oil analysis,and I'm not talking about wear. I'm talking about an actual maintenance plan and schedule where data has established trends and does that extra cost equate to more miles.
I like royal purple. I really like their synerlec stuff and in my opinion that's what made the oil special. Without it it's no better,or worse than a premium brand like ultra or Mobil 1,except it costs more.
This urine-saber duel is beyond absurd.
I used the automotive 20w-50,with synerlec in my harley immediately after draining Mobil 1 15w-50 because the bike tapped so loud I thought something was broken and my Harley's top end didn't even hint at tapping immediately after pouring it in.
I liked it,as well as redline and motul,so I do believe in the product.
I just don't believe it's cost effective when compared to other offerings with an api starburst.
And the purple colour is cool.
Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
You have to go to FULL PRODUCT CATALOG to get the specs.
Stick to correct information and you will go far.
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-purple-motor-oil/
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/wp-content/uploads/PS_API_MotorOIl.pdf
You have to go to FULL PRODUCT CATALOG to get the specs.
Stick to correct information and you will go far.
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-purple-motor-oil/
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/wp-content/uploads/PS_API_MotorOIl.pdf
Originally Posted By: deven
To each their own. We all decide to spend our money in different ways. With your frugal thinking I hope you always own a car thats the cheapest to own because we all know that it'll get you from point A to B just as same as the next more expensive option.
Yup. To each their own but of folks ask, RP is not "worth it"... unless they specify that they want a easily available semi-boutique oil.
Yes, kinda. I get what is applicable to the situation. That is the key: Application. I don't drive a pick-up because it is marketed as the "manly option" for accountants (sorry to accountants as it is just one first-hand example I run into) with low-T. My selections are not always "cheapest" but cost-effective. That is the issue that people confuse as "cheap" is not always cost-effective. I don't over-buy but I have no problem if paying more with get a certain thing in return that is better... but RP just does not have that ability.
Mountains with frequent winter weather and long trips and considered "essential personnel" for my employer= Subaru(s)
and old Subaru is really cheap for my needs)
City (DC) with short trips = No Car/Honda Fit
Sunny South for single-person commutes = MR2
To each their own. We all decide to spend our money in different ways. With your frugal thinking I hope you always own a car thats the cheapest to own because we all know that it'll get you from point A to B just as same as the next more expensive option.
Yup. To each their own but of folks ask, RP is not "worth it"... unless they specify that they want a easily available semi-boutique oil.
Yes, kinda. I get what is applicable to the situation. That is the key: Application. I don't drive a pick-up because it is marketed as the "manly option" for accountants (sorry to accountants as it is just one first-hand example I run into) with low-T. My selections are not always "cheapest" but cost-effective. That is the issue that people confuse as "cheap" is not always cost-effective. I don't over-buy but I have no problem if paying more with get a certain thing in return that is better... but RP just does not have that ability.
Mountains with frequent winter weather and long trips and considered "essential personnel" for my employer= Subaru(s)
and old Subaru is really cheap for my needs)
City (DC) with short trips = No Car/Honda Fit
Sunny South for single-person commutes = MR2
Anything new been brought up in this thread?
Anyone expect it to go any other way once they read the title?
I also hear 0wXX isn't worth it, either.
Anyone expect it to go any other way once they read the title?
I also hear 0wXX isn't worth it, either.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
You don't have to use a product to give an opinion about the price-point based on readily available data, It is called an informed decision. I say it is overprice (being the most expensive option on the shelf and rarely discounted) and the "data" ie VOA, UOA, does not suggest that the investment is worth the additional cost. If X oil @ $5 per qt gets me to the end of the serviceable life of the vehicle, then even $7 M1 is not worth it. And that is the heart of the argument. It is cost v benefit. Cost is not a black/white quantifiable (although we try) decision metric. There are other things happening to determine "worth". At $9+ per quart, one really is not getting anything more than what other oils can provide at a lower cost.
I have never been to Moscow but I know I would not want to live there. I have not owned a Lear-jet but I know it would be wasteful for my morning commute or even my holiday travels. I have not been to a MMA fight but if you ask me if $XXX per ticket is worth it, I would say "no".
An informed decision on something like oil at some point should include actual use. Maybe not for you to buy it but definitely for you to speak negatively of it to others. Just common sense. Part of your informed decision should include listening to those who have used the product if you haven't as well. Do that and overwhelmingly you get positive feedback. Not always but usually. No oil universally shines. RP has a very good track record despite the non-using naysayers comments here at BITOG.
Overpriced huh( this again ). I paid $4.80 and $5.66 respectively, per qt, the last 2 times I bought it( 2013 & 2014 ). That is right there with or better than Wal-Mart 5qt jug prices which we all know on BITOG is the holy grail of pricing.
As far as RP rarely being discounted that too is just 100% false. There are sales on RP all the time at different sources. Some of them are excellent deals too like $39.99 for 5qts + an RP filter. The filter alone is $15 normally so that is a mega deal making the oil $4.99 a qt. All kinds of places on the internet that sell it on sale as well plus you can also get free shipping a lot of times.
RP the most expensive oil on the shelf? ONLY at Wal-Mart when you compare the per qt cost of a 5qt jug against it. If you buy oil elsewhere that only has qt bottles( or even qt bottle prices at Wal-Mart )RP is no more expensive than the name brand oils and I posted factual data to prove it earlier in the thread. Another false statement from a non-using BITOG member.
I haven't done any VOA's on the new API stuff from RP but I have done some used oil analysis and they all came back excellent. That does mean something I am sorry. Seeing as I pay no more for, and many times less than, those 5qt Wal-Mart jugs getting such good used oil analysis makes my use of RP out to be a good move even by BITOG standards. Cost is irrelevant to me really and I will and have paid top dollar for RP. It is my preferred oil so I use it regardless of the cost. I will always get it for less when possible though.
People just flat refuse to acknowledge RP can be purchased for good prices. Too many people think the only way to buy oil is in the Wal-Mart oil aisle.
Now, if the cheapest conventional oil you can buy, that meets your needs, is what you want to use and it gets you to the point of no longer owning the vehicle as you say that is fine. However, THAT is very different from a blanket statement that says RP is overpriced.
If that is your argument common sense says you compare the cost of RP vs. other synthetics and not against the cost of conventional oil. That is just not a reasonable comparison to use against RP. What YOU should say is synthetic oil costs too much. That is a completely different discussion as is trying to compare the use of oil to a trip to Moscow( really
).
If you are going to speak negatively about a product you really should use it to do so unless it is something so obvious that anyone can see it is a bad product or perhaps some kind of news story comes out showing it is bad. Neither of those scenarios applies to RP however.
I also suggest that the standards you hold it to are fair standards. Using the cost of RP which is a synthetic oil as a negative vs. the cheapest conventional oil that meets your needs is just unreasonable.
It really amazes me the twisted logic people use to try and be negative about RP and even more so when they have never even used it. People who haven't used it actually are arguing with myself and others about it's quality and performance. WE actually HAVE used it and had excellent results. In my case I have used RP for decades and I even have the used oil analysis to back up that it has performed well. Yet you want to lecture me on RP and if it is any good or worth the cost? I don't get that.
Just ludicrous the way RP is thought of on this site.
You don't have to use a product to give an opinion about the price-point based on readily available data, It is called an informed decision. I say it is overprice (being the most expensive option on the shelf and rarely discounted) and the "data" ie VOA, UOA, does not suggest that the investment is worth the additional cost. If X oil @ $5 per qt gets me to the end of the serviceable life of the vehicle, then even $7 M1 is not worth it. And that is the heart of the argument. It is cost v benefit. Cost is not a black/white quantifiable (although we try) decision metric. There are other things happening to determine "worth". At $9+ per quart, one really is not getting anything more than what other oils can provide at a lower cost.
I have never been to Moscow but I know I would not want to live there. I have not owned a Lear-jet but I know it would be wasteful for my morning commute or even my holiday travels. I have not been to a MMA fight but if you ask me if $XXX per ticket is worth it, I would say "no".
An informed decision on something like oil at some point should include actual use. Maybe not for you to buy it but definitely for you to speak negatively of it to others. Just common sense. Part of your informed decision should include listening to those who have used the product if you haven't as well. Do that and overwhelmingly you get positive feedback. Not always but usually. No oil universally shines. RP has a very good track record despite the non-using naysayers comments here at BITOG.
Overpriced huh( this again ). I paid $4.80 and $5.66 respectively, per qt, the last 2 times I bought it( 2013 & 2014 ). That is right there with or better than Wal-Mart 5qt jug prices which we all know on BITOG is the holy grail of pricing.
As far as RP rarely being discounted that too is just 100% false. There are sales on RP all the time at different sources. Some of them are excellent deals too like $39.99 for 5qts + an RP filter. The filter alone is $15 normally so that is a mega deal making the oil $4.99 a qt. All kinds of places on the internet that sell it on sale as well plus you can also get free shipping a lot of times.
RP the most expensive oil on the shelf? ONLY at Wal-Mart when you compare the per qt cost of a 5qt jug against it. If you buy oil elsewhere that only has qt bottles( or even qt bottle prices at Wal-Mart )RP is no more expensive than the name brand oils and I posted factual data to prove it earlier in the thread. Another false statement from a non-using BITOG member.
I haven't done any VOA's on the new API stuff from RP but I have done some used oil analysis and they all came back excellent. That does mean something I am sorry. Seeing as I pay no more for, and many times less than, those 5qt Wal-Mart jugs getting such good used oil analysis makes my use of RP out to be a good move even by BITOG standards. Cost is irrelevant to me really and I will and have paid top dollar for RP. It is my preferred oil so I use it regardless of the cost. I will always get it for less when possible though.
People just flat refuse to acknowledge RP can be purchased for good prices. Too many people think the only way to buy oil is in the Wal-Mart oil aisle.
Now, if the cheapest conventional oil you can buy, that meets your needs, is what you want to use and it gets you to the point of no longer owning the vehicle as you say that is fine. However, THAT is very different from a blanket statement that says RP is overpriced.
If that is your argument common sense says you compare the cost of RP vs. other synthetics and not against the cost of conventional oil. That is just not a reasonable comparison to use against RP. What YOU should say is synthetic oil costs too much. That is a completely different discussion as is trying to compare the use of oil to a trip to Moscow( really
If you are going to speak negatively about a product you really should use it to do so unless it is something so obvious that anyone can see it is a bad product or perhaps some kind of news story comes out showing it is bad. Neither of those scenarios applies to RP however.
I also suggest that the standards you hold it to are fair standards. Using the cost of RP which is a synthetic oil as a negative vs. the cheapest conventional oil that meets your needs is just unreasonable.
It really amazes me the twisted logic people use to try and be negative about RP and even more so when they have never even used it. People who haven't used it actually are arguing with myself and others about it's quality and performance. WE actually HAVE used it and had excellent results. In my case I have used RP for decades and I even have the used oil analysis to back up that it has performed well. Yet you want to lecture me on RP and if it is any good or worth the cost? I don't get that.
Just ludicrous the way RP is thought of on this site.
NHHEMI, one of my professors once said that when a train door opens and you want to get out but there are a hundred people rushing to get in then your chances of getting out are slim to none. All RP threads remind me of that.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
An informed decision on something like oil at some point should include actual use. Maybe not for you to buy it but definitely for you to speak negatively of it to others. Just common sense. Part of your informed decision should include listening to those who have used the product if you haven't as well. Do that and overwhelmingly you get positive feedback. Not always but usually. No oil universally shines. RP has a very good track record despite the non-using naysayers comments here at BITOG.
Completely disagree. I am not going to pay $XX.XX+ and learn from "experience". There is nothing a use of a product is going to tell me without addition UOA and I can easily look those up. Common sense dictates that surveying lots of different points of information can be equally as effective. It is called a literature review. And since very few folks do primary empirical research with their oil purchase... well, testimonials can only go so far. That is what education if for and the point of communities like this. If provides the information without the cost. And then you have Lucas-snake-oil. I put very little emphasis on folks who use a product and do not provide additional information beyond their testimonials. If someone uses an oil filter and does not cut it open, then who care if they think it works or not. However, if someone who runs Champion filters points out that Purolators tear (without actually buying one) and shows the evidence, then their point is valid.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Overpriced huh( this again ). I paid $4.80 and $5.66 respectively, per qt, the last 2 times I bought it( 2013 & 2014 ). That is right there with or better than Wal-Mart 5qt jug prices which we all know on BITOG is the holy grail of pricing.
As far as RP rarely being discounted that too is just 100% false. There are sales on RP all the time at different sources. Some of them are excellent deals too like $39.99 for 5qts + an RP filter. The filter alone is $15 normally so that is a mega deal making the oil $4.99 a qt. All kinds of places on the internet that sell it on sale as well plus you can also get free shipping a lot of times.
RP the most expensive oil on the shelf? ONLY at Wal-Mart when you compare the per qt cost of a 5qt jug against it. If you buy oil elsewhere that only has qt bottles( or even qt bottle prices at Wal-Mart )RP is no more expensive than the name brand oils and I posted factual data to prove it earlier in the thread. Another false statement from a non-using BITOG member.
I provided a non-Wal-Mart example where RP was by far the most expensive option at the local auto-parts store. Even the oil-chance deal was $10 more. If you want to compare it at the discounted price, then compare it with other discounted oils. You can find other Syn for less than $3.50 per quart depending how you want to price the filter. Claiming that the full cost of the filter applies to the cost per quart is absurd. $40 for a DIY oil changes is expensive when you can find Full Synthetic for $20-25 and then a rebate on top of that. Does this make my irrational-favorite Havoline at $26 OCSpecial equate to $3.60 per qt? Or How about the $4.50 sale + $5 rebate. Heck, wasn't Pennzoil rebating their oil by $10? Sure, you can find RP for less than the walmart price... but if you are going to "hunt" for that pricing, then you have to consider hunting for other oils in the cost. Again, RP tends to be more costly without the measurable benefit.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I haven't done any VOA's on the new API stuff from RP but I have done some used oil analysis and they all came back excellent. That does mean something I am sorry. Seeing as I pay no more for, and many times less than, those 5qt Wal-Mart jugs getting such good used oil analysis makes my use of RP out to be a good move even by BITOG standards. Cost is irrelevant to me really and I will and have paid top dollar for RP. It is my preferred oil so I use it regardless of the cost. I will always get it for less when possible though.
Yes, but many, many oils come back with fantastic UOA at a lower cost. I am glad that cost is irrelevant to you... must be nice... but for a lot of folk here cost for the application is tremendous. I bet a lot of folk would be foaming from the mouth if the state entity did not use the most cost-effective option. You can pay millions per quart if you want but when the QUESTION was IS IT WORTH THE EXTRA $$ the how in the world do you expect people NOT to bring up cost.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
People just flat refuse to acknowledge RP can be purchased for good prices. Too many people think the only way to buy oil is in the Wal-Mart oil aisle.
Nope.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Now, if the cheapest conventional oil you can buy, that meets your needs, is what you want to use and it gets you to the point of no longer owning the vehicle as you say that is fine. However, THAT is very different from a blanket statement that says RP is overpriced.
We are not comparing it to "cheap" conventional. Most of the comparisons have been with other similar synthetics. Even then, it is overprice for a lot of retailers and the discounts then to be fewer.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
If that is your argument common sense says you compare the cost of RP vs. other synthetics and not against the cost of conventional oil. That is just not a reasonable comparison to use against RP. What YOU should say is synthetic oil costs too much. That is a completely different discussion as is trying to compare the use of oil to a trip to Moscow( really
).
If you are going to speak negatively about a product you really should use it to do so unless it is something so obvious that anyone can see it is a bad product or perhaps some kind of news story comes out showing it is bad. Neither of those scenarios applies to RP however.
Again, you don't have to try something to have an opinion about it. I don't have to try slavery to have an opinion of it. You can make an informed decision about it. I don't have to try "Restore" to have an opinion of it or mom-and-pop discount gas. The trick with these examples is that you cna make informed decisions without first-hand trial and error.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I also suggest that the standards you hold it to are fair standards. Using the cost of RP which is a synthetic oil as a negative vs. the cheapest conventional oil that meets your needs is just unreasonable.
It really amazes me the twisted logic people use to try and be negative about RP and even more so when they have never even used it. People who haven't used it actually are arguing with myself and others about it's quality and performance. WE actually HAVE used it and had excellent results. In my case I have used RP for decades and I even have the used oil analysis to back up that it has performed well. Yet you want to lecture me on RP and if it is any good or worth the cost? I don't get that.
Just ludicrous the way RP is thought of on this site.
But that is not the argument against RP. The argument against it is that you can get the same results with less expensive options including other upper-tier synthetics. If you want to compare conventional, there is a lot to be said about how advance Conventionals have become. Is RP worth the extra $$. That is the crux of the issue. If you can get a long life form an engine without the RP premium. No. If you can get the same great UOA result from other upper-end or even a mid-tier Synthetic, then no. If you are limited to the OCI for a warranty;definitely not worth it.
RP is not "bad" it is just expensive compare to its peers. The question was not a "good/bad" it ask the "worth". If money is no issue, then the point is moot. If money is a reasonable variable, the I and a lot of other folks say "no".
An informed decision on something like oil at some point should include actual use. Maybe not for you to buy it but definitely for you to speak negatively of it to others. Just common sense. Part of your informed decision should include listening to those who have used the product if you haven't as well. Do that and overwhelmingly you get positive feedback. Not always but usually. No oil universally shines. RP has a very good track record despite the non-using naysayers comments here at BITOG.
Completely disagree. I am not going to pay $XX.XX+ and learn from "experience". There is nothing a use of a product is going to tell me without addition UOA and I can easily look those up. Common sense dictates that surveying lots of different points of information can be equally as effective. It is called a literature review. And since very few folks do primary empirical research with their oil purchase... well, testimonials can only go so far. That is what education if for and the point of communities like this. If provides the information without the cost. And then you have Lucas-snake-oil. I put very little emphasis on folks who use a product and do not provide additional information beyond their testimonials. If someone uses an oil filter and does not cut it open, then who care if they think it works or not. However, if someone who runs Champion filters points out that Purolators tear (without actually buying one) and shows the evidence, then their point is valid.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Overpriced huh( this again ). I paid $4.80 and $5.66 respectively, per qt, the last 2 times I bought it( 2013 & 2014 ). That is right there with or better than Wal-Mart 5qt jug prices which we all know on BITOG is the holy grail of pricing.
As far as RP rarely being discounted that too is just 100% false. There are sales on RP all the time at different sources. Some of them are excellent deals too like $39.99 for 5qts + an RP filter. The filter alone is $15 normally so that is a mega deal making the oil $4.99 a qt. All kinds of places on the internet that sell it on sale as well plus you can also get free shipping a lot of times.
RP the most expensive oil on the shelf? ONLY at Wal-Mart when you compare the per qt cost of a 5qt jug against it. If you buy oil elsewhere that only has qt bottles( or even qt bottle prices at Wal-Mart )RP is no more expensive than the name brand oils and I posted factual data to prove it earlier in the thread. Another false statement from a non-using BITOG member.
I provided a non-Wal-Mart example where RP was by far the most expensive option at the local auto-parts store. Even the oil-chance deal was $10 more. If you want to compare it at the discounted price, then compare it with other discounted oils. You can find other Syn for less than $3.50 per quart depending how you want to price the filter. Claiming that the full cost of the filter applies to the cost per quart is absurd. $40 for a DIY oil changes is expensive when you can find Full Synthetic for $20-25 and then a rebate on top of that. Does this make my irrational-favorite Havoline at $26 OCSpecial equate to $3.60 per qt? Or How about the $4.50 sale + $5 rebate. Heck, wasn't Pennzoil rebating their oil by $10? Sure, you can find RP for less than the walmart price... but if you are going to "hunt" for that pricing, then you have to consider hunting for other oils in the cost. Again, RP tends to be more costly without the measurable benefit.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I haven't done any VOA's on the new API stuff from RP but I have done some used oil analysis and they all came back excellent. That does mean something I am sorry. Seeing as I pay no more for, and many times less than, those 5qt Wal-Mart jugs getting such good used oil analysis makes my use of RP out to be a good move even by BITOG standards. Cost is irrelevant to me really and I will and have paid top dollar for RP. It is my preferred oil so I use it regardless of the cost. I will always get it for less when possible though.
Yes, but many, many oils come back with fantastic UOA at a lower cost. I am glad that cost is irrelevant to you... must be nice... but for a lot of folk here cost for the application is tremendous. I bet a lot of folk would be foaming from the mouth if the state entity did not use the most cost-effective option. You can pay millions per quart if you want but when the QUESTION was IS IT WORTH THE EXTRA $$ the how in the world do you expect people NOT to bring up cost.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
People just flat refuse to acknowledge RP can be purchased for good prices. Too many people think the only way to buy oil is in the Wal-Mart oil aisle.
Nope.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Now, if the cheapest conventional oil you can buy, that meets your needs, is what you want to use and it gets you to the point of no longer owning the vehicle as you say that is fine. However, THAT is very different from a blanket statement that says RP is overpriced.
We are not comparing it to "cheap" conventional. Most of the comparisons have been with other similar synthetics. Even then, it is overprice for a lot of retailers and the discounts then to be fewer.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
If that is your argument common sense says you compare the cost of RP vs. other synthetics and not against the cost of conventional oil. That is just not a reasonable comparison to use against RP. What YOU should say is synthetic oil costs too much. That is a completely different discussion as is trying to compare the use of oil to a trip to Moscow( really
If you are going to speak negatively about a product you really should use it to do so unless it is something so obvious that anyone can see it is a bad product or perhaps some kind of news story comes out showing it is bad. Neither of those scenarios applies to RP however.
Again, you don't have to try something to have an opinion about it. I don't have to try slavery to have an opinion of it. You can make an informed decision about it. I don't have to try "Restore" to have an opinion of it or mom-and-pop discount gas. The trick with these examples is that you cna make informed decisions without first-hand trial and error.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I also suggest that the standards you hold it to are fair standards. Using the cost of RP which is a synthetic oil as a negative vs. the cheapest conventional oil that meets your needs is just unreasonable.
It really amazes me the twisted logic people use to try and be negative about RP and even more so when they have never even used it. People who haven't used it actually are arguing with myself and others about it's quality and performance. WE actually HAVE used it and had excellent results. In my case I have used RP for decades and I even have the used oil analysis to back up that it has performed well. Yet you want to lecture me on RP and if it is any good or worth the cost? I don't get that.
Just ludicrous the way RP is thought of on this site.
But that is not the argument against RP. The argument against it is that you can get the same results with less expensive options including other upper-tier synthetics. If you want to compare conventional, there is a lot to be said about how advance Conventionals have become. Is RP worth the extra $$. That is the crux of the issue. If you can get a long life form an engine without the RP premium. No. If you can get the same great UOA result from other upper-end or even a mid-tier Synthetic, then no. If you are limited to the OCI for a warranty;definitely not worth it.
RP is not "bad" it is just expensive compare to its peers. The question was not a "good/bad" it ask the "worth". If money is no issue, then the point is moot. If money is a reasonable variable, the I and a lot of other folks say "no".
Here is an email from my colleague Jimmy.
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
Good afternoon Deven,
It was great chatting oil and stangs with you yesterday. Sorry to hear that your friends on the oil forum are doubting the information provided by you but I will do my best to provide all the necessary information that I am able to. Please feel free to share this information with them.
So as to the composition of our basestocks, we here at Royal Purple use only the finest basestocks that consists solely of Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks). This is true for all our API, HPS and XPR line up of oils. The differences between the three are our proprietary additive Synerlec and the amount of zinc and phosphorus additive used.
With our API certified line we unfortunately had to remove our proprietary additive Synerlec AND reduce our zinc and phosphorus amount to 800ppm per strict API guidlines. We do our best to make sure all our API oils come very close to the maximum threshold of 800ppm because we think its absolute necessary to have that much if not more in any oil but due to API restrictions our hands are tied.
With our HPS and XPR line, both contain our proprietary additive Synerlec and higher amounts of zinc and phosphorus. The HPS line typically has zinc and phosphorus amounts close to 1200 ppm while the XPR line typically has amounts close to 1800ppm. We also have twice the amount of our proprietary additive Synerlec in the XPR line and is the main solitary reason why it is an expensive product to obtain.
I personally advise people to pay a little extra and get the HPS line over the API line unless the application in which it is used is under warranty and requires certified oil. We here at Royal Purple honestly believe and know that our HPS line has 4 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today and our XPR line to have 8 times the film strength of any leading synthetic in the market today.
The only mineral based oil we have in our line up is our break-in oil which has high amounts of zinc and phosphorus to facilitate the break in of an engine and we use conventional oil to create a little more heat and friction to hone the engine components and seat the rings properly.
Deven, sorry for the long email but hope I clarified all your concerns and the concerns of all your friends at the great oil forum.
Your friend,
Jimmy.
Jim Morrissey
Sr. Technical Service Advisor/Automotive
Royal Purple Inc.
-----------------------------
P.S. A little more about Jimmy. Not only does he work at RP but he's a HUGE mustang fan and knows more about stangs then I can forget. On the net if you google "Jimmysidecarr" you can find post made by him in the svtforum, all mustang forums and videos on youtube. There is an epic oil thread on pelicanparts that he participated that is a fun read. So when he talks I definitely listen!
Ok-If he's telling the truth, it tells me Group 4 and 5(PAO/POE basestocks), don't fare any better in used oil analysis than any of the synthetics made from Gr-3 base stocks. Film strength 4-8 times stronger? Stronger than what? The skeptic in me would love to see some proof. Sounds like classic hype from a sales rep, and I was in sales my whole working life. Nothing wrong with the product at all, in fact I used it a long time ago. The product has a loyal following, but I'm not joining that line. Sorry-AD
To paraphrase PT Barnum: "There's a devotee born every minute".
I especially like it when sales hacks tell you to "spend a little more". ROFLMAO. BTW does FRAM do that?
I especially like it when sales hacks tell you to "spend a little more". ROFLMAO. BTW does FRAM do that?
Last edited:
- Status