Is it just me, or does Nissan not care anymore?

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Originally Posted By: jrustles


http://www.caradvice.com.au/143268/consu...a-honda-on-top/
Say what you want about CR, but they're probably one of the least likely to- "accept sponsorships", unlike say JD Power, if you know what I mean.
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I thought there was hope for CR and then:

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Best Rated: Scion xD


xD?

Is it really more reliable? Is the weird seating position preferred by some?
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: jrustles


http://www.caradvice.com.au/143268/consu...a-honda-on-top/
Say what you want about CR, but they're probably one of the least likely to- "accept sponsorships", unlike say JD Power, if you know what I mean.
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I thought there was hope for CR and then:

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Best Rated: Scion xD


xD?

Is it really more reliable? Is the weird seating position preferred by some?


Hey, it's possible. It's about as 'advanced' as the '92 Tercel, so it's possible. I love the name xD, though. That's the ASCII equivalent of my face when I see one
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog

Most of the perceived problems with Mazda reliability are exotic engines like the rotary or Ford problems like the CD4E.


The CD4E needed good maintenance (like most auto trans's). The wife's 03 Escape is coming up on 130k and the CD4E still shifts like new. Then again, we've done 30k fluid changes on it just like you should. The in-laws is fine too and I think they have more miles than ours.

I think the early ones had issues but they got worked out. Compound that with the fact that most don't change fluids and it was a bad rap in the making.

The Nissan I owned (04 G35) was decent. Reliable and fun to drive. I think the new ones keep the same tradition.
 
They remind of the Chevy Malibu,Hyundai Sonata and previous Mazda6. A nice enough rental car(Nissan Altima) but would actually go out and buy it. No.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
in my eyes, they are slightly above mazda in affordablity and reliablity, mazda being the lowest of the japanese pack, at least in the states.




Mazda the lowest of the Japanese pack?

Did Mitsubishi suddenly become better? Because they haven't changed much in their lineup in awhile.
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No, Mitsubishi just is so irrelevant no one considers them anymore- even in an insult. ;-p

And IMO, the Ford influence is the best thing about most Mazdas except the RX-8 and MX-5. Of the models sold under both names, I'd pick the Ford-badged one EVERY single time. That's just me, a cow-orker went out of his way to get a Mazda-badged Escape (Tribute) instead of an Escape.
 
Originally Posted By: VicVinegar
The 1998-ish Maxima SE is still a favorite of mine. It is amazing how much the cars have grown since then. The current Sentra looks bigger than that Maxima.


The Altima and Maxima deliberately crossed segments a number of years back, which I thought was strange the Altima had been the small car. Then they made the Altima the midsize and made the Maxima smaller and a bit sportier, despite still being a 4-door only. But the Sentra's always been a compact and IMO still looks it. The sad thing about the Sentra is that it FEELS tinnier and cheaper than a first-gen Neon now. I liked the way my last few Sentra rentals drove, but I thought it was going to disintegrate every time I closed the door or trunk.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum

And IMO, the Ford influence is the best thing about most Mazdas except the RX-8 and MX-5. Of the models sold under both names, I'd pick the Ford-badged one EVERY single time. That's just me, a cow-orker went out of his way to get a Mazda-badged Escape (Tribute) instead of an Escape.


Clearly! That's why this first batch of non-Ford influenced Mazdas in 25 years all suddenly suck now, amirite?
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Absolutely nothing in the current Nissan's stable gets my attention except for the GTR...and that is only because its a super sports car sleeper at a relatively cheaper price/performance value.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
in my eyes, they are slightly above mazda in affordablity and reliablity, mazda being the lowest of the japanese pack, at least in the states.




Mazda the lowest of the Japanese pack?

Did Mitsubishi suddenly become better? Because they haven't changed much in their lineup in awhile.
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No, Mitsubishi just is so irrelevant no one considers them anymore- even in an insult. ;-p

And IMO, the Ford influence is the best thing about most Mazdas except the RX-8 and MX-5. Of the models sold under both names, I'd pick the Ford-badged one EVERY single time. That's just me, a cow-orker went out of his way to get a Mazda-badged Escape (Tribute) instead of an Escape.


It was sure nice of Ford to emblazon their logo on every part that has failed on my Mazda.
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...and as far as picking the Ford badge: The Fusion has dumbed down handling, dumbed down transmission programming, a Park/Reverse/Neutral/Don't even think of selecting your own ratio/Low, but not really gear selector, mouse fur seats, backwards cruise and radio controls and badly placed wiper and headlight switches. Reasons enough to pick the Mazda.

The Fusion does have different coil packs. Mazda uses the old Duratec30 Taurus/Sable style coil so it might have a reliability advantage there. But the Taurus/diSable does not share that advantage
 
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: jrustles


http://www.caradvice.com.au/143268/consu...a-honda-on-top/
Say what you want about CR, but they're probably one of the least likely to- "accept sponsorships", unlike say JD Power, if you know what I mean.
21.gif

...


I thought there was hope for CR and then:

Quote:
Best Rated: Scion xD


xD?

Is it really more reliable? Is the weird seating position preferred by some?


Hey, it's possible. It's about as 'advanced' as the '92 Tercel, so it's possible. I love the name xD, though. That's the ASCII equivalent of my face when I see one
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LOLOLOL that made me die.
 
Many makers made real breakthrough cars at one time.
Today, most make a mulitplicity of models based upon a handful of platforms.
Nissan used to be badged as Datsun in this country and offered unique and desirable cars like the sports roadsters, the original Z and the original 510.
Nissan is not alone in having ditched inovation and desirability for mediocrity.
Honda once offered flyweight Civics that had good acceleration and fuel economy as well as ample interior space. We owned three such cars, a '76 CVCC hatch and two Wagovans.
For that matter, Honda once offered world class interiors.
Those in our '97 and '99 Accords are really nice and have held up very well.
I can't say that the interior of our '12 Accord is as nice.
Toyota once offered really entertaining cars, like the MR2.
Mazda once offered the light and cheap Lotus Elan inspired Miata, nothing like the bloated MX-5 of today.
Mazda also once offered the really great last-gen RX-7.
The RX-8 was a slow and overweight joke by comparison and ugly to boot.
Those who have owned German cars over the years should compare the interior, exterior and mechanical elements to those of days past.
The older cars were better in every regard and were cheaper to own and maintain.
It isn't just Nissan that has seen its products reach medicocrity.
 
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Absolutely nothing in the current Nissan's stable gets my attention except for the GTR...and that is only because its a super sports car sleeper at a relatively cheaper price/performance value.


The GT-R is no sleeper. The styling of it is too hard to ignore.

However, I still love the GT-R.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
The RX-8 was a slow and overweight joke by comparison and ugly to boot.


I totally agree. Where Mazda ruined the RX-8 was with that weird Saturnesque back door and the back seats.
 
To me it is especially when you put the GTR amongst its peers it doesn't stand out much, quite a bit more sedate looking. A Vette, Ferrari, Lambo, Bugatti, Maclaren, Zonda or other supercars etc all jump out at you. You can hide a GTR in a sea of Cobalt SS and the like cars quite easily.
 
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
The RX-8 was a slow and overweight joke by comparison and ugly to boot.


I totally agree. Where Mazda ruined the RX-8 was with that weird Saturnesque back door and the back seats.


Wow, and here I thought I was only going to have to reply to one completely incorrect person.

Having 4 seats that actual full sized adults can fit into, and travel in comfort to anywhere in the country made the RX-8 better than any other car in the 4 seater Sports Car segment. All other cars that claimed to be 4 door sports cars (Maxima, I'm looking at you) were not sports cars, but just another FWD family sedan. Or, you had actual 2 door Sports Cars, that had rear seats thrown in to appease lawyers, and insurance companies (Porsche 911, anyone? How about the FRS/BRZ?)

So, the RX-8 is the only true 4 door sports car on the market, and it is a great car.
Styling is all in the opinion of the people looking at the car. Nothing was wrong with its looks. Heck, there's enough disagreement between RX-8 owners themselves, as some feel the Series 1 cars are better looking than the Series 2 cars, and plenty of people think the exact opposite.

The car was not slow, by any means.
But, a lot of people think that not having 500 ft-lbs of torque makes any car slow.
Usually, people who buy RX-8's aren't the same people who buy muscle cars. If you prefer muscle cars, you're not going to enjoy the driving experience of an RX-8. I would bet that the people who love the RX-8 tend to live in areas with mountain roads to drive on, like me.

Not everywhere in the US actually have nice roads with plenty of twists and elevation changes in order to take advantage of cars that have great handling characteristics.

Mazda puts more innovation in their cars than most other Japanese cars.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of drivers would never benefit from the innovation that Mazda provides in their cars, because, simply, most drivers HATE DRIVING.

BC.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog

Mazda the lowest of the Japanese pack?

Did Mitsubishi suddenly become better? Because they haven't changed much in their lineup in awhile.
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just because mitsubishi hasnt changed their lineup in years has nothing to do with their reliability. perhaps they havent updated their powertrains because they work just fine. perhaps they are not as efficient as your direct injected overengineered 40mpg daewoo. perhaps they dont have the resale of a lexus. they are still rock solid no matter your jaded and ignorant opinion.
 
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