Invertor and Tru-Fuel?

I have put over 500 hours on my Wen inverter generator powering my camper or home appliances during power outages. I’ve run nothing but pump gas. Most of it has been E0 87 or 91 octane. Once in a while I can’t get E0 especially in Minnesota so I use E10 and run it out when I’m back home and refill with E0. I don’t understand using TruFuel. It’s just too expensive.

Just my $0.02
I think my friend uses this during maple syrup season. So maybe a gallon or two of fuel? while doing something he likes, and makes a few bucks while doing.

No idea what he runs in his big generator though.
 
I store Tru-Fuel or VP Racing in my gensets too. My 5 gal reserve tanks are full of reg unleaded E10 that I try to cycle through the cars every 6 months. Home Depot is the lowest cost place for a gal. I don't know why but the 1 gal steel cans are always dented; check for leaks before you leave the store.
 
I run my 2000W inverter generator on Aspen (TruFuel equivalent as @michael007 pointed out). It only gets used to top up the travel trailer batteries as needed while camping without hookups, so it sees maybe 5-10 hours a year of run time including occasional starts to exercise it through the year. If I had to run it for an extended period, I wouldn't hesitate to use pump gas (ideally stabilized E0, but E10 if needed), then run it dry at the end of the event and fill it back up with Aspen.
Inverter gensets use very little fuel so your Aspen usage makes sense to me.
 
Had a power outage that threatened to go multiple days; friend said I could borrow one of his Honda invertors. Cool. Picked it up, and he showed me how to use it. However he said he only used True-Fuel in it. If I had to, I could run regular in it, and just to let him know, he’d run it out and then refill with True-Fuel; I have no issue with buying “the right stuff” for something I‘m borrowing.

Regardless. Don’t think I’ve ever heard here about someone running Tru-Fuel in their invertor? At the very least, run the tank down, fill it up with Tru, then store. Longer time between having to run it. Anyone else do that? I can’t imagine running a long outage on tru-fuel but for quick usage…

Side question, how hard is it to drain the tank on one of these invertors? I’m sure there is a line that could be popped off. As opposed to getting a pump and pulling out of the vent.
See https://www.pure-gas.org/maps/NH#close for the locations where Ethanol free fuel is available in New Hampshire. I am in partial agreement with your friend in that I don't use fuel with Ethanol in a generator. Now that being said, I can buy 89 octane E0 for $4.069/gal. not to far from home. I wouldn't pay over $20/gal. for Tru-Fuel.

I actually spent the night in New Hampshire last night and filled the Prius V with E0 three times in order to test the affect on MPG. Once at a Wawa near East Stroudsburg, PA on the outbound leg, once this morning at a Stewart's Shop in Bennington, VT [91 Octane E0], and a final top off at Wawa in Coopersburg, PA. The mileage is definitely better, even after considering all the mountain ranges we crossed. Probably not enough improvement to justify the added cost, but we will see how this tank does under or normal driving conditions.
 
Oh, in accordance to Mr Murphy, after picking up the gen, when I got home the lights were on. So I don’t have to do anything. :) I like it when that happens.

I do have something like 3 cans of tru-fuel on the shelf, for the chainsaw (that I rarely use), so there’s that. Next time I’m out I might buy a few more. What I don’t know is if I want to buy one of these invertors, it could be handy… and it could sit for years between usage.
Hopefully you are not referring to the 40:1 or 50:1 Tru-Fuel. I think your friend is suggesting the Tru-Fuel 4-Cycle E0 gasoline. I think that it would store a long time for emergencies, but I would never consider it as a primary fuel source when I can get E0 gasoline at under 1/4 the price.
 
Hopefully you are not referring to the 40:1 or 50:1 Tru-Fuel. I think your friend is suggesting the Tru-Fuel 4-Cycle E0 gasoline. I think that it would store a long time for emergencies, but I would never consider it as a primary fuel source when I can get E0 gasoline at under 1/4 the price.
I would assume he’s using 4 cycle, its not like he showed me the bottle.

I looked on that pure gas site and if I ever go in those directions I’ll take a look. Without a doubt it would be cheaper at a pump.

Just figured out how my transfer switch was wired up. :) For some reason stuff was not marked. I also don’t care for some of the things I see, but maybe its legit, I’m not an electrician.
 
Oh, in accordance to Mr Murphy, after picking up the gen, when I got home the lights were on. So I don’t have to do anything. :) I like it when that happens.

I do have something like 3 cans of tru-fuel on the shelf, for the chainsaw (that I rarely use), so there’s that. Next time I’m out I might buy a few more. What I don’t know is if I want to buy one of these invertors, it could be handy… and it could sit for years between usage.
Yep. Ours went out Friday evening with a very long repair time. Started up my car went to go get gas. No sooner they put the car in gear. The whole neighborhood lit up.
 
Yep. Ours went out Friday evening with a very long repair time. Started up my car went to go get gas. No sooner they put the car in gear. The whole neighborhood lit up.
Thing was, the wife had driven off for something, some place where her cell was working--and had WiFi. Got her emails from the power provider saying we'd have power on in 2 day's time. ! At that point I was done with reading by candlelight and was only too glad to take my friend up on the offer.
 
Just figured out how my transfer switch was wired up. :) For some reason stuff was not marked. I also don’t care for some of the things I see, but maybe its legit, I’m not an electrician.
I did the transfer switch myself a number of years ago and recorded everything in a spreadsheet on an external drive that I can no longer access. Long story about a stored set of credentials that involved a failed router. The drive is fine if I ever care to figure it out, LOL.

So what don't you like about what you see? Photos would help here.
 
So what don't you like about what you see? Photos would help here.
Forgot to get a pic of the wire nut that had some bare wire sticking out--wire stripped a bit too much, not a real hazard, but looked a bit amateurish. Grab that nut just right and you'll know it.

This might be kosher, the tiebar between two switches. Well pump is 240 so it does need dual breakers. Have not gone looking for the transfer switch paperwork so maybe that's legit. [Screws on top are from the breaker panel, I had it open. But one of the smaller screws is from the switch, why it doesn't have all installed, and why it was pulled apart, I have no idea. Probably someone wanted to rewire but since none of the wires are labeled, had to open it up I guess.]
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Stranded wire in the breaker. Maybe it's allowed, but I thought stranded wire had to use a clamp, one of those "cage" setups, not a screw. It looks like a clamp here, but that's just the angle. More fun: the radon guys double tapped a breaker for their install (bottom breaker).
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Lastly: transfer switch uses 15A breakers, the breaker box uses 20. Ok, 15 in series with 20 gives you 15. 20 when on real power, 15 when on generator. Still. Just seems off.

Did find out that the outlets on the counter are on one of these 20 now 15A circuits. The one with the two coffee pots and the toaster oven. Guess we'll take turns.

Again, probably all legit.
 
Stranded wire in the breaker. Maybe it's allowed, but I thought stranded wire had to use a clamp, one of those "cage" setups, not a screw. It looks like a clamp here, but that's just the angle. More fun: the radon guys double tapped a breaker for their install (bottom breaker).

Stranded wire is OK on a breaker. It's even OK on a receptacle with a screw terminal.

The radon guys should have used a wirenut and a pigtail instead of double tapping a breaker.

 
Stranded wire is OK on a breaker. It's even OK on a receptacle with a screw terminal.

The radon guys should have used a wirenut and a pigtail instead of double tapping a breaker.


Agreed on the radon guys.

Interesting on the stranded wire. Seems like too much work for me--although I've never seen stranded wire in residential for power. [And I'm too lazy to use an outlet like that, I only buy the "better" quality ones where the wire goes behind a clamping plate :)] Good to know though, was not too worried, now not worried at all.

Back to inverter shopping...
 
Interesting on the stranded wire. Seems like too much work for me--although I've never seen stranded wire in residential for power.

There's been a few times I've been tempted to use it, like when I have a GFCI that has 3 or 4 12AWG cables going into it. Use stranded wire on the GFCI then pigtail to the cables, would make it MUCH easier to get it in the box. (That's just rotten design to have that many cables going to a box where a GFCI is to be installed, anyway...)
 
PRI fuel stabilizer gets a good review on BITOG. I'm going to try it when I use up my current supply of marine stabilizer. I stabilize my EO also.
 
Did you say your are going to use your chain saw pre-mixed 2 stroke fuel in his 4 stroke generator?
I did. Wasn’t until later that I remember, there’s two kinds of engines… ones that need pre-mix, ones that don’t. So now… I’m not going to do that! I did pick up some 4 cycle stuff for the shelf.

Was hoping no one would catch my goof… darn timeout limit on editing old posts!
 
I did. Wasn’t until later that I remember, there’s two kinds of engines… ones that need pre-mix, ones that don’t. So now… I’m not going to do that! I did pick up some 4 cycle stuff for the shelf.

Was hoping no one would catch my goof… darn timeout limit on editing old posts!
Don't feel bad, we all have brain lapses from time to time.
 
Forgot to get a pic of the wire nut that had some bare wire sticking out--wire stripped a bit too much, not a real hazard, but looked a bit amateurish. Grab that nut just right and you'll know it.

This might be kosher, the tiebar between two switches. Well pump is 240 so it does need dual breakers. Have not gone looking for the transfer switch paperwork so maybe that's legit. [Screws on top are from the breaker panel, I had it open. But one of the smaller screws is from the switch, why it doesn't have all installed, and why it was pulled apart, I have no idea. Probably someone wanted to rewire but since none of the wires are labeled, had to open it up I guess.]
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Stranded wire in the breaker. Maybe it's allowed, but I thought stranded wire had to use a clamp, one of those "cage" setups, not a screw. It looks like a clamp here, but that's just the angle. More fun: the radon guys double tapped a breaker for their install (bottom breaker).
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Lastly: transfer switch uses 15A breakers, the breaker box uses 20. Ok, 15 in series with 20 gives you 15. 20 when on real power, 15 when on generator. Still. Just seems off.

Did find out that the outlets on the counter are on one of these 20 now 15A circuits. The one with the two coffee pots and the toaster oven. Guess we'll take turns.

Again, probably all legit.
I would agree that the work is more than a bit sloppy. It would be easy to fix if you are so inclined.
 
Had a power outage that threatened to go multiple days; friend said I could borrow one of his Honda invertors. Cool. Picked it up, and he showed me how to use it. However he said he only used True-Fuel in it. If I had to, I could run regular in it, and just to let him know, he’d run it out and then refill with True-Fuel; I have no issue with buying “the right stuff” for something I‘m borrowing.

Regardless. Don’t think I’ve ever heard here about someone running Tru-Fuel in their invertor? At the very least, run the tank down, fill it up with Tru, then store. Longer time between having to run it. Anyone else do that? I can’t imagine running a long outage on tru-fuel but for quick usage…

Side question, how hard is it to drain the tank on one of these invertors? I’m sure there is a line that could be popped off. As opposed to getting a pump and pulling out of the vent.
in my experience, tru-fuel is great for anything with a carb.............i use it in all my stuff...........weed eater, blower, etc in the mixed flavor. I do use the 4 cycle in my atv and generator for storage purposes. If I am using my wood splitter, the first tank is a mix of trufuel and pump gas, and the last tank is trufuel and pump gas.......but while running, i just do pump gas.
 
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