Interesting electrification analysis article

[Brons2]

The Electric Car Con Explained”.

That pretty much destroyed any incentive for me to go searching for this article.

Unfortunately with some states having EV mandates and the latest proposed EPA rules, I imagine the fever pitch is only going to continue to increase.

It will pretty much come down to a single event later this year which it would probably be against board rules to mention.

 

[zzyzzx]

Looks like we are going to start burning wood to change EV's:
https://energytheory.com/volvo-ce-and-rolls-royce-bring-wood-burning-off-grid-ev-chargers/

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Very interesting article. Begs the questions all industries +investors should ask, when they NEED subsidies......
"WHY?" "When?" "How long?"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rooftop-solar-industry-could-verge-145455396.html

 

[Torrid]

Looks like we are going to start burning wood to change EV's:
https://energytheory.com/volvo-ce-and-rolls-royce-bring-wood-burning-off-grid-ev-chargers/

If it's anything like here they burn wood just to get rid of it from cleanup and deconstruction. Wouldn't be the worst use, but then again not all of it is going to come from that if this needs more use than there is supply of waste wood.

 

[demarpaint]

Looks like we are going to start burning wood to change EV's:
https://energytheory.com/volvo-ce-and-rolls-royce-bring-wood-burning-off-grid-ev-chargers/

That's funny, and yet there's talk here of banning wood fired pizza ovens. Unreal when you get right down to it.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

That's funny, and yet there's talk here of banning wood fired pizza ovens. Unreal when you get right down to it.

I seem to remember reading on the Forest Service’s website that not only are forest fires natural (most times), but they are a necessary part of a healthy ecosystem. You’d think that responsible clearing of trees would go hand-in-hand with conservation & ecological stewardship?

 

[demarpaint]

I seem to remember reading on the Forest Service’s website that not only are forest fires natural (most times), but they are a necessary part of a healthy ecosystem. You’d think that responsible clearing of trees would go hand-in-hand with conservation & ecological stewardship?

Exactly, but you're making sense, be careful............ Could you imagine eating a quality pizza made in an electric oven? They want to take out natural gas too. 'lol'

 

[Torrid]

I seem to remember reading on the Forest Service’s website that not only are forest fires natural (most times), but they are a necessary part of a healthy ecosystem. You’d think that responsible clearing of trees would go hand-in-hand with conservation & ecological stewardship?

We used to allow sectioned and controlled burns. Is it any wonder where the out of control forest fires come from? If this was allowed and practiced in some of these areas we wouldn't have as many out of control burns.

 

[thastinger]

I have crunched the CO2 comparison numbers between EV's and gas cars multiple times over the past several years and keep getting similar answers each time. In general the EV's have about half the CO2 emissions of gas cars because about 40% of the electric power is emission free, and the EV's are inherently more energy efficient per mile because they have regenerative braking.

The comparison has gotten much more apples to apples as of late because we now have a virtually identical vehicle being manufactured in both electric and gas form - the F150 lightning and F150 2.7 Eco Boost. Using the owner reported figures that the Lightning averages about 2.4 miles/kwh over the year, and the Eco Boost averages 22 mpg overall. The emission numbers would shake out thusly:

Lightning using the US electricity average emission rate of .86 lbs CO2 / kwh for all sources combined - 0.36 lbs CO2 / mile
Lightning on natural gas fired turbine utility averaging 40% thermal efficiency - 0.42 lbs CO2 / mile
Lightning in my immediate area which is 100% coal fired power - 0.84 lb CO2 / mile

Eco Boost F150 averaging 22 mpg on E10 - .86 lb CO2 / mile.

You might legitimately add about 5% to the Lightning numbers for electrical transmission and distribution losses, but then there is also a loss factor on the oil and gas gathering and processing. I've never been able to find the CO2 intensity for processing a gallon of gas however.

People also like to point out the energy needed for mining and processing battery materials but I've never seen any numbers on that at all and it would have to be distributed over the life of the car so that calculation would start to get real fuzzy.

What is the lifespan of your vehicles in your study? I have a 98 F150 that runs like a top, don't intend to get rid of it. We will have to wait and see if a Lightning can make it to the age it takes to get Antique plates. If a person went through 2 EVs per ICE, there is certainly a huge difference. Not saying that will be the case in every case.

 

[oil pan 4]

Looks like we are going to start burning wood to change EV's:
https://energytheory.com/volvo-ce-and-rolls-royce-bring-wood-burning-off-grid-ev-chargers/

Coal.

 

[Torrid]

What is the lifespan of your vehicles in your study? I have a 98 F150 that runs like a top, don't intend to get rid of it. We will have to wait and see if a Lightning can make it to the age it takes to get Antique plates. If a person went through 2 EVs per ICE, there is certainly a huge difference. Not saying that will be the case in every case.

You have a point, but many people feel the need to get the latest and greatest and never see a car to end of life. I usually don't get rid of a car unless I hit a point of repair that doesn't make sense to me, but some treat cars like phones and get the new one when it comes out. I don't understand that approach.

 

[oil pan 4]

What is the lifespan of your vehicles in your study? I have a 98 F150 that runs like a top, don't intend to get rid of it. We will have to wait and see if a Lightning can make it to the age it takes to get Antique plates. If a person went through 2 EVs per ICE, there is certainly a huge difference. Not saying that will be the case in every case.

Yeah there's no way my leaf is going to last longer than our 1999 Dodge Dakota. With a battery swap from a newer leaf then yes.
25ish year old dodge, the seat isn't really that comfortable, has hail dents, ect.
My leaf in another 10 won't have any range assuming it still turns on.

 

[Vercingetorix]

This is my electricity usage for the past year. My wife drives our electric car 1500 miles a month on average. I live in the Pacific Northwest and really don’t see a ton of sunshine.