Also those heads are known for dropping valve seats.
InTech 5.4 32V engine- low oil light came on at high speed, think a bearing may have spun?
- Thread starter GON
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junk motors avoid them
He is getting ready to make a 3,000 mile cross country work ordered move in like 60 days and is spending time chasing junk motors for a vehicle that was in a junk yard to begin with.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
$50 site donor 2023
Because of the oil pump leak, phaser and tensioner leak issues with this engine, it’s not a good idea to use thin oils. M1 HM 10w-40 is correct for an older version of this engine.
A local Ford dealer went to 10W-40 immediately, to stem the tide of phaser, cam chain and audible knock issues. Problem solved. I've been using 10W-30M1 when new and 10W-40HM from about the 100K mark. Now pushing 200K, engine runs perfectly. And it gets abused beyond belief.
A local Ford dealer went to 10W-40 immediately, to stem the tide of phaser, cam chain and audible knock issues. Problem solved. I've been using 10W-30M1 when new and 10W-40HM from about the 100K mark. Now pushing 200K, engine runs perfectly. And it gets abused beyond belief.
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OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
This is a DOHC engine, not the 3V SOHC one. It's the big brother of the 4.6L DOHC engine found in the Cobra and Aviator and was loosely the bases for the 2000 Cobra-R engine.
GON
$100 Site Donor 2024
Just a quick update.
I purchased a used engine in Lumberton, NC. The used engine has 120k miles on it, and a carfax history showing regular oil changes.
Regrettably, I hired an independent mechanic local to Lumberton to remove the donor engine, replace timing chains, plugs, coils, intake manifold gasket, valve cover gasket, egr valve, and heater hoses. Replacing the heater hoses and egr valve as they require the engine out or the intake manifold remove to replace those two parts.
I towed the Navigator (200 miles) to the independent mechanic and after meeting him, I have zero confidence he knows what he is doing, or that I will see the Navigator on the road again. I sure hope I am wrong, but that is my gut. The mechanic had a helper, both of them were FULLY covered in grease. I sense I know considerably more about the 32V engine than the mechanic does- and I know very little.
This is real life. Sometimes its magic, sometimes it tragic. I sense tragic on this one......
I purchased a used engine in Lumberton, NC. The used engine has 120k miles on it, and a carfax history showing regular oil changes.
Regrettably, I hired an independent mechanic local to Lumberton to remove the donor engine, replace timing chains, plugs, coils, intake manifold gasket, valve cover gasket, egr valve, and heater hoses. Replacing the heater hoses and egr valve as they require the engine out or the intake manifold remove to replace those two parts.
I towed the Navigator (200 miles) to the independent mechanic and after meeting him, I have zero confidence he knows what he is doing, or that I will see the Navigator on the road again. I sure hope I am wrong, but that is my gut. The mechanic had a helper, both of them were FULLY covered in grease. I sense I know considerably more about the 32V engine than the mechanic does- and I know very little.
This is real life. Sometimes its magic, sometimes it tragic. I sense tragic on this one......
If you're working on a leaker it's hard not to get covered in oil/grease.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
$50 site donor 2023
I'd judge a mechanic more on if he knows the nomenclature and seems to understand it. Of course even that isn't necessarily a perfect metric....
....still, if you start talking cam phasers, hydraulic tensioners, HV oil pumps and he looks confused, yeah I'd be scared then.
That said, I have NO idea how these engines vary from the 3V 5.4? Are they considerably different?
....still, if you start talking cam phasers, hydraulic tensioners, HV oil pumps and he looks confused, yeah I'd be scared then.
That said, I have NO idea how these engines vary from the 3V 5.4? Are they considerably different?
Still, it's his time and money to spend as he chooses. Although, yeah, I'd personally walk away. This whole era was Ford trying too hard to be unique with their motors solely for the purpose of being unique. GM was laying down just as good or better power and mileage with pushrods.....
GON
$100 Site Donor 2024
D60, that is the issue. When I brought up a few things about the vehicle, and the engine in particular, he seemed lost. Being filthy dirty I can certainly understand, and have been there myself hundreds of times. Being filthy dirty AND not seeming to know anything about the SUV and its engine.... that is what raised my alert level to be very worried.
Hop I am wrong.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
$50 site donor 2023
Sometimes we are the BUG, sometimes the WINDSHIELD!
I know I'm beating a good horse to death here, but....
What brand of replacement parts will you and your two mechanics be using? There are some really cheap and crappy replacement parts on RockAuto for your 32V engine and there are some other good ones available, including some from Ford, albeit a much higher price. What company will get your money?
Sounds like a Simon and Garfunkel song..........(we are the rock we are an island...).
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GON
$100 Site Donor 2024
Kruse,
Hopefully motorcraft, felpro, denso, etc. This is a partial list
Hopefully motorcraft, felpro, denso, etc. This is a partial list
| 2004 LINCOLN NAVIGATOR 5.4L V8 | ||||||
DENSO | 6736008 (673-6008) | Ignition Coil | $ 32.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 32.79 |
DORMAN | 800404 (47164) | Heater Hose Connector | $ 7.29 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 7.29 |
FEL-PRO | 71216 | Idle Air Control Valve Gasket | $ 0.80 | $ 0.00 | 2 | $ 1.60 |
FEL-PRO | MS92902 | Intake Manifold Gasket | $ 62.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 62.79 |
FEL-PRO | OS30725R | Oil Pan Gasket | $ 22.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 22.79 |
FEL-PRO | TCS460101 (TCS46010-1) | Timing Cover Gasket | $ 19.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 19.79 |
FEL-PRO | 16207 | Timing Cover Repair Sleeve | $ 5.45 | $ 0.00 | 2 | $ 10.90 |
FEL-PRO | VS50477R | Valve Cover Gasket | $ 37.89 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 37.89 |
FEL-PRO | 70802 | EGR Gasket | $ 2.04 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 2.04 |
FEL-PRO | ES75105 | Exhaust Flange Stud and Nut | $ 15.74 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 15.74 |
FEL-PRO | ES75118 | Exhaust Manifold Hardware | $ 19.07 | $ 0.00 | 2 | $ 38.14 |
MAHLE | MS19449 | Exhaust Manifold Gasket | $ 24.89 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 24.89 |
MELLING | 3391SF (3-391SF) | Timing Chain & Component Kit | $ 396.79 | - | 1 | $ 396.79 |
MELLING | 189 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain | $ 22.23 | $ 0.00 | 2 | - |
MELLING | BT404 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain Tensioner | $ 29.52 | $ 0.00 | 1 | - |
MELLING | BT405 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain Tensioner | $ 23.63 | $ 0.00 | 1 | - |
MELLING | BG416 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain Guide | $ 21.89 | $ 0.00 | 1 | - |
MELLING | 391 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain | $ 53.86 | $ 0.00 | 2 | - |
MELLING | BG415 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain Guide | $ 19.80 | $ 0.00 | 1 | - |
MELLING | BT402 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain Tensioner | $ 31.97 | $ 0.00 | 1 | - |
MELLING | BT403 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain Tensioner | $ 31.97 | $ 0.00 | 1 | - |
MELLING | BT417 | [Kit Component] Timing Chain Guide | $ 14.59 | $ 0.00 | 2 | - |
MELLING | S790P | [Kit Component] Timing Cam Sprocket | $ 7.30 | $ 0.00 | 4 | - |
MELLING | S869 | [Kit Component] Timing Crank Sprocket | $ 27.45 | $ 0.00 | 1 | - |
MELLING | M176 | Oil Pump | $ 63.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 63.79 |
MOTORCRAFT | CM4717 | Fuel Injector Seal / O-Ring | $ 5.13 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 5.13 |
MOTORCRAFT | SP493 | Spark Plug | $ 2.49 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 2.49 |
MOTORCRAFT | CX1721 | EGR Valve | $ 84.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 84.79 |
VALVOLINE | ZXG051 | Coolant / Antifreeze Type: Concentrated | $ 14.05 | $ 0.00 | 6 | $ 84.30 |
VICTOR REINZ | 111023901 (11-10239-01) | Exhaust Manifold Gasket | $ 12.15 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 12.15 |
DEA / MARMON RIDE CONTROL | A5483 | Motor Mount | $ 87.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 87.79 |
FEL-PRO | 16310 | Timing Cover Repair Sleeve Tool | $ 23.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 23.79 |
FEL-PRO | ES73048 | Water Pump Gasket | $ 3.85 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 3.85 |
MOTORCRAFT | PW423 | Water Pump | $ 50.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 50.79 |
VICTOR REINZ | 711468300 (71-14683-00) | Water Pump Gasket | $ 3.40 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 3.40 |
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
The Modular engines (minus the 3V) were generally extremely reliable and long-lived, their service record in the Crown Vic, Grand Marquis and Town Car in LEO/Taxi and Limo service is extremely well regarded as is its service in the E-series vans. The biggest detractors over the SBF they replaced and the LSx was physical size. They are physically much larger for the same or smaller displacement.
There wasn't anything with being unique, Ford was just heading the same way everyone else was going (the Euros are all OHC, the Koreans and Japanese are all OHC) with engine design, and it wasn't their first kick at the can with it either, Ford had been doing SOHC and DOHC intermittently since the 1960's. GM also did OHC V8's with the Corvette and the Northstar. Chrysler produced the 4.7 SOHC during the same era too.
GON
$100 Site Donor 2024
Just received a picture from the mechanic- he finished the engine pull earlier today. He also recommended the front and rear crankshaft seals be replaced, and the valve guides. I ordered these additional parts:
| 004 LINCOLN NAVIGATOR 5.4L V8 | ||||||
FEL-PRO | BS40644 | Crankshaft Seal | $ 16.23 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 16.23 |
FEL-PRO | TCS46114 | Crankshaft Seal Wholesaler Closeout -- 30 Day Warranty | $ 3.72 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 3.72 |
FEL-PRO | ES72798 | Cylinder Head Bolt Wholesaler Closeout -- 30 Day Warranty | $ 18.32 | $ 0.00 | 2 | $ 36.64 |
FEL-PRO | OS30725R | Oil Pan Gasket | $ 22.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 22.79 |
FEL-PRO | SS72888 | Valve Stem Seal | $ 51.79 | $ 0.00 | 1 | $ 51.79 |
