The obvious solution for returning vets who need employment is to send them to guard the USA, Mexican border. Let them keep their Humvee, jeep, rifles and other fighting gear and pay them a decent wage.
I was in for 4 years, and now I can't get a job.
- Thread starter Dave424
- Start date
- Status
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Cracks me up. I dropped out in the 11th grade. Went to work framing houses. Had my own crew at 21. My own business at 25. Now I'm 35. I employ 22 men. Build roughly 100 units per year. Business pays for all my toys and most of my bills. I will retire by 50,free to ride my Harley for the rest of my years. I never owed a dime in education. The world educated me. And paid me to do it.
Americans are the most educated population in the world,which commands a higher payroll,which in turn makes big corporations outsource help from poorer nations like India for example.
You will educate yourself into debt to the tune of a few hundred grand,then find out you are over-qualified for most employment. Now your in the hole,no job,no prospects and stuck. Hey but at least your smart. Real smart
There is a lot more to education than just getting a job. Your post kind of shows that. By the way, that Harley was designed and built by engineers, chemists, etc... And I'm not talking about the assembly line.
Cracks me up. I dropped out in the 11th grade. Went to work framing houses. Had my own crew at 21. My own business at 25. Now I'm 35. I employ 22 men. Build roughly 100 units per year. Business pays for all my toys and most of my bills. I will retire by 50,free to ride my Harley for the rest of my years. I never owed a dime in education. The world educated me. And paid me to do it.
Americans are the most educated population in the world,which commands a higher payroll,which in turn makes big corporations outsource help from poorer nations like India for example.
You will educate yourself into debt to the tune of a few hundred grand,then find out you are over-qualified for most employment. Now your in the hole,no job,no prospects and stuck. Hey but at least your smart. Real smart
There is a lot more to education than just getting a job. Your post kind of shows that. By the way, that Harley was designed and built by engineers, chemists, etc... And I'm not talking about the assembly line.
Last edited:
I sorta wondered 4 yrs in where, the military or in stir but didn't want to ask.
Try your state website. Here in NC there a quite a number of job openings in this field that would be working for NCDENR.
NC Website:
NC Env Site
NC Website:
NC Env Site
Originally Posted By: Dave424
Sorry if I was not clear. Some of you may have gotten the wrong idea. I posted this in humor section because I thought it would be funny to compare a 4 year degree with prison... you know... you're in for x years, get out and can't get a job...
In my case, I in my early/mid 20's and I just got a 4 year degree in Env. Sci. and I'm having a hard time finding a job. I still keep in touch with my school mates. And a lot of them are still unemployed. Most of them are either Bio, Chem, and Env. Sciences majors.
Anyway, I didn't think this would turn into a serious conversation so moderators, feel free to move it to Off Topic section.
Look at jobs outside your specific field. I wouldn't go way out of your comfort zone, but maybe take a job that kind of interests you and could lead to something else. I ended up doing something completely outside of my degree (marketing) as a lawn mower mechanic. Ended up getting promoted a couple times within one year and am now salaried and spend most of my day buying and selling parts. It's not anything I had planned on doing, but it pays the bills and at 24 with no debt I can't complain.
Sorry if I was not clear. Some of you may have gotten the wrong idea. I posted this in humor section because I thought it would be funny to compare a 4 year degree with prison... you know... you're in for x years, get out and can't get a job...
In my case, I in my early/mid 20's and I just got a 4 year degree in Env. Sci. and I'm having a hard time finding a job. I still keep in touch with my school mates. And a lot of them are still unemployed. Most of them are either Bio, Chem, and Env. Sciences majors.
Anyway, I didn't think this would turn into a serious conversation so moderators, feel free to move it to Off Topic section.
Look at jobs outside your specific field. I wouldn't go way out of your comfort zone, but maybe take a job that kind of interests you and could lead to something else. I ended up doing something completely outside of my degree (marketing) as a lawn mower mechanic. Ended up getting promoted a couple times within one year and am now salaried and spend most of my day buying and selling parts. It's not anything I had planned on doing, but it pays the bills and at 24 with no debt I can't complain.
Originally Posted By: wkcars
Are you searching on www.usajobs.gov veterans with honorable discharge have an advantage when applying for federal employment, make sure you claim veteran preference when you apply. Don't discount or skip postings that have low starting salary or low starting pay grade/band, the hiring agency most likely will try to match what you were making previously if you are selected and they make the offer of employment, and there are alot of opportunities to advance and get increases/promotions after the first year probation period.
Yep, even if the job starts off very low ($35-40K per year) take it just to get your foot in the door and gain some real world experience. Some companies have paid internships if you have a good GPA. I would skip the Master's degree and focus on your job search.
Are you searching on www.usajobs.gov veterans with honorable discharge have an advantage when applying for federal employment, make sure you claim veteran preference when you apply. Don't discount or skip postings that have low starting salary or low starting pay grade/band, the hiring agency most likely will try to match what you were making previously if you are selected and they make the offer of employment, and there are alot of opportunities to advance and get increases/promotions after the first year probation period.
Yep, even if the job starts off very low ($35-40K per year) take it just to get your foot in the door and gain some real world experience. Some companies have paid internships if you have a good GPA. I would skip the Master's degree and focus on your job search.
If you're still young enough, go back in and finish out your 20. You'll be thanking yourself later.
Have you tried looking in other states? I hear Iowa is having a real shortage.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
If you're still young enough, go back in and finish out your 20. You'll be thanking yourself later.
I think the OP meant 4 years of college, not military service. But maybe I'm wrong.
If you're still young enough, go back in and finish out your 20. You'll be thanking yourself later.
I think the OP meant 4 years of college, not military service. But maybe I'm wrong.
Get your masters while you're working somewhere that will pay for it. Online may be the way to do it.
Around here there are labs like IDEXX that are always hiring those with some science knowledge. The starting positions pay poorly and are BORING.
If I were a hiring manager, I'd hire a vet, absolutely. They're into sticking around for a few years, and doing what they're told.
Around here there are labs like IDEXX that are always hiring those with some science knowledge. The starting positions pay poorly and are BORING.
If I were a hiring manager, I'd hire a vet, absolutely. They're into sticking around for a few years, and doing what they're told.
The OP never said he was a vet. He said he just got his 4 year degree.
Just have a look on Indeed.com forums and you will see many people out of college are having trouble finding employment and that goes for many different career fields. I agree with looking at jobs outside your specific field since you might find something you actually like in a field you never thought you would end up in.
I had to contact some old colleagues of mine from my former job to help get my nephew a job in Texas cause he wasn't getting any job offers after he graduated college. He is in a field that he never thought he would like but is now very happy.
I had to contact some old colleagues of mine from my former job to help get my nephew a job in Texas cause he wasn't getting any job offers after he graduated college. He is in a field that he never thought he would like but is now very happy.
Originally Posted By: Dave424
In my case, I in my early/mid 20's and I just got a 4 year degree in Env. Sci. and I'm having a hard time finding a job. I still keep in touch with my school mates. And a lot of them are still unemployed. Most of them are either Bio, Chem, and Env. Sciences majors.
Are you in an area where that career choice is in high demand? Are you searching nationwide for an entry level/internship position? I can see that career choice being very regional and if you're not looking nationwide you may very well be missing out on some significant opportunities. You also need think outside the scope of your education and look for possible non-traditional areas where your skills can be applied.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Cracks me up. I dropped out in the 11th grade.
I'll certainly take your word for that.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Went to work framing houses. Had my own crew at 21. My own business at 25. Now I'm 35. I employ 22 men. Build roughly 100 units per year.
If you're doing 100 units a year with no more employees than that then you're doing nothing more than framing production line 1500 square foot tract homes. You're in the easiest building trade (all your mistakes get covered up), and you're doing production line framing-the same thing over an over, simplified for speed rather than quality. With all due respect, it's not much more difficult than working on an assembly line putting headlights on cars day after day after day. You're following plans drawn up by an architect (with a college education), approved by an engineer (with a college education), on property plotted by a surveyor (with a college education), with tools designed by a tool design engineer (with a college education).
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I will retire by 50,free to ride my Harley for the rest of my years.
I can't imagine being entirely unproductive. I guess my college education taught me, among other things, an appreciation of hard work and being productive.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Americans are the most educated population in the world,which commands a higher payroll,which in turn makes big corporations outsource help from poorer nations like India for example.
Once again you're wrong. Americans (meaning the United States) are about 20th on the list, with countries such as South Korea, Denmark and Finland having a significantly higher education index.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
You will educate yourself into debt to the tune of a few hundred grand,then find out you are over-qualified for most employment. Now your in the hole,no job,no prospects and stuck.
A few hundred grand for a college education? In 2011-12, 44 percent of all full-time undergraduate college students attend a four-year college that has published charges of less than $9,000 per year for tuition and fees. To get to your "few hundred grand" would take somewhere around 60 years. But with an 11th grade education, you probably already knew that.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Hey but at least your smart. Real smart
It's either "you're" or "you are", not your. Your means that you possess or have smart, which clearly isn't correct in the context of your post.
In my case, I in my early/mid 20's and I just got a 4 year degree in Env. Sci. and I'm having a hard time finding a job. I still keep in touch with my school mates. And a lot of them are still unemployed. Most of them are either Bio, Chem, and Env. Sciences majors.
Are you in an area where that career choice is in high demand? Are you searching nationwide for an entry level/internship position? I can see that career choice being very regional and if you're not looking nationwide you may very well be missing out on some significant opportunities. You also need think outside the scope of your education and look for possible non-traditional areas where your skills can be applied.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Cracks me up. I dropped out in the 11th grade.
I'll certainly take your word for that.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Went to work framing houses. Had my own crew at 21. My own business at 25. Now I'm 35. I employ 22 men. Build roughly 100 units per year.
If you're doing 100 units a year with no more employees than that then you're doing nothing more than framing production line 1500 square foot tract homes. You're in the easiest building trade (all your mistakes get covered up), and you're doing production line framing-the same thing over an over, simplified for speed rather than quality. With all due respect, it's not much more difficult than working on an assembly line putting headlights on cars day after day after day. You're following plans drawn up by an architect (with a college education), approved by an engineer (with a college education), on property plotted by a surveyor (with a college education), with tools designed by a tool design engineer (with a college education).
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I will retire by 50,free to ride my Harley for the rest of my years.
I can't imagine being entirely unproductive. I guess my college education taught me, among other things, an appreciation of hard work and being productive.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Americans are the most educated population in the world,which commands a higher payroll,which in turn makes big corporations outsource help from poorer nations like India for example.
Once again you're wrong. Americans (meaning the United States) are about 20th on the list, with countries such as South Korea, Denmark and Finland having a significantly higher education index.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
You will educate yourself into debt to the tune of a few hundred grand,then find out you are over-qualified for most employment. Now your in the hole,no job,no prospects and stuck.
A few hundred grand for a college education? In 2011-12, 44 percent of all full-time undergraduate college students attend a four-year college that has published charges of less than $9,000 per year for tuition and fees. To get to your "few hundred grand" would take somewhere around 60 years. But with an 11th grade education, you probably already knew that.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Hey but at least your smart. Real smart
It's either "you're" or "you are", not your. Your means that you possess or have smart, which clearly isn't correct in the context of your post.
Originally Posted By: OldCowboy
One of the real tragedies of the Iraq/Afganistan wars is the excessively high unemployment rate of returning veterans. It's a darn shame that the country that sent them to fight and possibly die can't help with their employment when they return.
When I retired from the Army in 1997, veterans were in high demand. Now it's like they're pariahs. I don't understand it.
Depends on your field my friend...lots of jobs for vets if the skills line up...but not a clear advantage for all vets. Junior military officers are in high demand for their leadership skills...but a lot of grunts aren't faring so well...particularly as the unemployment rate is highest among folks with a HS diploma...
However, I think this poster just finished 4 years at UC Davis, not in the Army per se, and now, well, welcome to the California economy...
One of the real tragedies of the Iraq/Afganistan wars is the excessively high unemployment rate of returning veterans. It's a darn shame that the country that sent them to fight and possibly die can't help with their employment when they return.
When I retired from the Army in 1997, veterans were in high demand. Now it's like they're pariahs. I don't understand it.
Depends on your field my friend...lots of jobs for vets if the skills line up...but not a clear advantage for all vets. Junior military officers are in high demand for their leadership skills...but a lot of grunts aren't faring so well...particularly as the unemployment rate is highest among folks with a HS diploma...
However, I think this poster just finished 4 years at UC Davis, not in the Army per se, and now, well, welcome to the California economy...
- Status
