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I guess it's not big deal to fly with a semi handgun, or try to. Yet we all have to march through naked body scanners or get a grope down (because--who knows--we might jsut decide to fly with explosive underwear).
I guess it's not big deal to fly with a semi handgun.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S3229745.shtml?cat=565

TSA officers at the airport in Syracuse spotted a loaded handgun in a man's carry on bag early Wednesday morning.

TSA officials say they found the semi-automatic handgun loaded with six rounds in the man's carry-on bag as he was going through the security checkpoint.

The man, from Chittenango, NY, was flying to Albuquerque, New Mexico. Police confiscated the gun and allowed him to catch his flight.
 
I think that it depends...

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3167730&page=1

Maybe some are intended to get through (like the underpants bloke and the apparent official efforts to get him on a plane), and get caught...and obviously let off.

Genuine (silly) mistakes have to be punished.

Still interested in the Assault rifle in the locker from a few months ago, and exactly who was supposed to use it when.
 
wow! interesting thread; I just read through half of it.

I'm usually against over-regulation and goverment intervention, but when it comes to handguns (which are concealable and highly portable, in contrast to rifles), I really think there need to be very serious laws and regulations.

Pop rivit said this, which I think makes complete sense:

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit

How incredibly irresponsible. That's the sort of person that should never again be allowed to possess a firearm-he's demonstrated a complete and utter regard for his responsibility as a firearm owner.

If someone owns a firearm they can't just "forget" they have it loaded and laying around in a bag, not to mention pack that very bag, and cart the bag with a loaded weapon into a busy airport. Someone demonstrating that level of irresponsibility should have their firearm rights terminated.
 
Nothing new, this has been happening for decades, its just a topic that the media now jumps on when it happens. The same media never reports situations where firearm owners successfully prevent/ward off a criminal.

I agree it was foolish to not keep track of where it is especially knowing you are going through security.
 
Originally Posted By: ueberooo
wow! interesting thread; I just read through half of it.

I'm usually against over-regulation and goverment intervention, but when it comes to handguns (which are concealable and highly portable, in contrast to rifles), I really think there need to be very serious laws and regulations.

Pop rivit said this, which I think makes complete sense:

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit

How incredibly irresponsible. That's the sort of person that should never again be allowed to possess a firearm-he's demonstrated a complete and utter regard for his responsibility as a firearm owner.

If someone owns a firearm they can't just "forget" they have it loaded and laying around in a bag, not to mention pack that very bag, and cart the bag with a loaded weapon into a busy airport. Someone demonstrating that level of irresponsibility should have their firearm rights terminated.




Let's quit messing around with these people and let TSA just shoot them on the spot....sure glad I don't fly anymore because I'm forgetful in my old age. I have flown many hours, most armed with a hand gun, and never shot anyone; however my underwear did explode once upon a time.
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Most likely this was an honest mistake. You better believe that TSA gave his background a very thorough review. Was this a HUGH mistake, yes. But many seem to forget the 2nd Amendment is not vague. It is not wordy. We have the right to carry a gun anywhere we want. If this guy was a Constitutional lawyer then he very easily could have walked away a free man.

that said I have not flown in years and only did so then because I was required to because of work. I do not travel to any states or DC that violate ANY of my rights. Because you will never ever catch me with the inability to defend myself. Never had to pull it out, and hope I never do.
 
3000 people died because we "disarmed" American Citizens aboard aircraft.

Sorry, but the airport weapons policy does not work, never has.
 
Cujet, I agree. I work in rural southern VA. I would guess 1 in 5 cars that I pass have a loaded weapon. The crime rate is very low even though the economy has not been kind to the area. Trying to rob a restaurant in the area would be a suicide mission and the bad guys know it. That is why they all go to DC or Baltimore where they know it is easy pickings.
 
Amazing how many were just happy to be irradiated and accept it in my thread here:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2435591

It's beyond 2A, its guilty until proven innocent, but with ZERO probable cause. PC has destroyed our ability to ensure safety and security without major intrusions to our liberty.

I'm not huge on personal carry laws and the boogeyman around every corner angle that some use to justify being armed at all times. And frankly, I think that probably 75% or more of the population isn't suited to carry though they want to and may do so. But the overall intrusion into peoples' life on the premise of their guilt without any basis is bad.

Still, if/when they find stuff, it proves my point about 75% or more not being suited... This guy broke the law, his weapons should be confiscated and not returned because of idiocy. Yet if he did have an honest mistake, while he is not suited to carry and be responsible with guns, he shouldn't be thrown in the slammer and charged, especially if his carry of the weapon was legal in the state and up to the entry to the airport.
 
I once left a client and drove straight to the airport to fly home. While I was leaving they gave me a gift bag which I put in my carry on because I saw it had some candy. When I went through security they told me straight up there was a knife in my bag and sure enough the client had a knockoff leatherman in a box at the bottom of the bag. And the TSA agents were actually pretty nice, but obviously didn't let me take it on the plane.

Of course it's my fault for not looking through the stuff more closely, but things can and do happen. Probably not with a gun, but with other restricted items at least.
 
The real point is this: do you want the TSA to have the discretion to choose whether or not this person posed a real threat?

In the United States, thousands of people bring prohibited items to security every single day: liquids exceeding 100ml, pocket knives, etc.

Should we shoot them all on sight? Certainly would cut down on our population growth if that were the rule...

Should the TSA be able to determine which person was intending to evade security and which person made a mistake? The intent of the offender matters.

We give that same discretion to police: was the intent to commit a crime there? Further, does that intent merit arrest?

So, what's the complaint here? Do we remove discretion and treat all those caught with a prohibited item in security equally? If so, then we end up with rants about the loss of common sense. Remember the girl suspended from school for a "knife" in her lunch? Do you want the TSA to react as those school officials did?

Or would you prefer that the TSA be able to determine whether or not this person was intending to commit a crime?

With a determination of no intent to commit a crime, and the prohibited item removed from security, then the traveler should be able to proceed. Stupidity, forgetfulness, ignorance of rules...these qualities do not prohibit you from traveling...believe me...
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Amazing how many were just happy to be irradiated and accept it in my thread here:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2435591

It's beyond 2A, its guilty until proven innocent, but with ZERO probable cause. PC has destroyed our ability to ensure safety and security without major intrusions to our liberty.


I was similarly surprised to the response on "Operation Chifley Gateway II" this time last year.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2835313&page=1
 
Personally I think this is an $11000 fine offense(apparent max) and lifelong revocation of your concealed weapon permit. Sheer stupidity and irresponsibility not adhering to the rules.

Stupidity shall not be tolerated.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Personally I think this is an $11000 fine offense(apparent max) and lifelong revocation of your concealed weapon permit. Sheer stupidity and irresponsibility not adhering to the rules.

Stupidity shall not be tolerated.


The supreme rule, the 2nd amdt: The right to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Seems to be a huge level of infringement going on. As I mentioned above, 3000 people died because of this policy.
 
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Personally I think this is an $11000 fine offense(apparent max) and lifelong revocation of your concealed weapon permit. Sheer stupidity and irresponsibility not adhering to the rules.

Stupidity shall not be tolerated.


The supreme rule, the 2nd amdt: The right to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Seems to be a huge level of infringement going on. As I mentioned above, 3000 people died because of this policy.


Don't buy that story, sorry.
 
Again, if stupidity were to be used as a discriminator, then the airlines would instantly lose about 80% of their passengers....
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Again, if stupidity were to be used as a discriminator, then the airlines would instantly lose about 80% of their passengers....


And the same ones could be issued a drivers license either.
 
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TSA doesn't decide anything. The most they'll do is call the local police presence at the airport, which will then decide to arrest or not. Then it's up to the local prosecutor.

A California Assemblyman brought a loaded .45 through airport security in his briefcase. He claimed he had forgotten. He didn't have a CCW permit and open loaded carry isn't legal in much of the state. Unloaded open carry hasn't been legal for a while. He pleaded no contest and now has a misdemeanor conviction in his record. He recently announced his intention to run for Governor.
 
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