Hybrids

[Al]

BIL just bought a Cadillac XT4. I am wondering why he or anyone would not buy a Hybrid. I plan on buying a Forester, CX50, or RAV4 Hybrid?
Obviously I am posting this bc it is sure to arouse "feelings"...lol

 

[supton]

Why would one not buy a hybrid?

FUD?

Low miles per year? If one buys for 10 year ownership but only drives 10k/yr, perhaps the ROI isn't there.

For me, I was cheap. But the hybrid probably would pay for itself--and at least for Toyota, it's a more pleasant driving experience. But I was focused on upfront purchase price, rather than long term.

 

[Furious]

Well the simple answer is because your brother in-law and other people don't want a hybrid.

With that being said Hybrid technology has been around for a very long time and has progressively gotten better, Toyota and Honda do it best.

But me personally I do not want a hybrid it is more points of failure, more to go wrong and I like to keep vehicles as long as possible, in the future when electric vehicles get even better hopefully with solid state batteries I will just go electric.

 

[Delta]

"...or anyone would not buy a hybrid?"

Short and sweet; I don't want one.

 

[JavierH19]

Depends. I'd never buy a hyundai or kia hybrid as they use a crummy dual clutch trashcan and I'd rather get a regular one with a cvt or torque converter auto whereas I'd not only buy a Toyota hybrid i'd try to get one over the regular one as that geared cvt is the best.

 

[Rand]

BIL just bought a Cadillac XT4. I am wondering why he or anyone would not buy a Hybrid. I plan on buying a Forester, CX50, or RAV4 Hybrid?
Obviously I am posting this bc it is sure to arouse "feelings"...lol

I'm assuming its because he bought what he wanted?
Question seems not well thought out.
unless its just a troll question?

 

[KrisZ]

Not all hybrids are created equal, some are better left alone.

 

[ripcord]

Because he didn't feel the need to virtue signal as he's driving down the road...

Obviously I am posting this bc it is sure to arouse "feelings"

 

[SC Maintenance]

When I bought our Rav4 in 2019 the Hybrid variant in that trim was $3k more in MSRP and no discount, and ICE was 5500 off. So $8500 for the hybrid. Hard pass.

Highway miles is much closer in MPG that city miles - so where you drive figures into the ROI, as does gas prices.

They seem to be closer now, but in Toyota at least you still get much higher discounts on ICE, so you can't just compare MSRP.

Personally I prefer ICE - I don't need more components to maintain.

 

[ripcord]

Having owned a Prius for a few years, I'd say the maintenance on a Toyota hybrid is lower than an ICE car. Change the oil, coolant and CV fluid once in a while. The OEM brake pads have 3/4 of their material left after 120k miles.

 

[supton]

Having owned a Prius for a few years, I'd say the maintenance on a Toyota hybrid is lower than an ICE car. Change the oil, coolant and CV fluid once in a while. The OEM brake pads have 3/4 of their material left after 120k miles.

I'm finding ours is hard on brake pads. They don't get used, so they seize up, then the electric parking brake pushes it out. Rapid pad wear if I don't keep lubing the pad ears. I'm starting to replace one pad at a time instead of doing the full axle.

Haven't touched the coolant nor transaxle yet, I keep finding lousy reasons why to put that off.

 

[ripcord]

I'm finding ours is hard on brake pads. They don't get used, so they seize up, then the electric parking brake pushes it out. Rapid pad wear if I don't keep lubing the pad ears. I'm starting to replace one pad at a time instead of doing the full axle.

Haven't touched the coolant nor transaxle yet, I keep finding lousy reasons why to put that off.

Salted roads must suck...

 

[Devo242]

The primary deterrent for me is the bills I have seen others share with battery replacement being astronomical in a number of cases.

I have nothing against hybrid / full electric as I have drive a variety of them over the years, I appreciate how economical they can be for day to day use. But as someone who keeps vehicles for many years I feel like I would be trading fuel economy for an eventual big ticket replacement cost.

 

[supton]

Salted roads must suck...

Well, they beat sliding off the road when they freeze over, yes, but the rest of the time, yes again.

The primary deterrent for me is the bills I have seen others share with battery replacement being astronomical in a number of cases.

What is "astronomical"? I want to say, Prius batteries have come down to like $4k. Which sounds like a lot but for something that won't wear out a transmission, is it replacing one anticipated repair with another?

I see only manual transmissions in your sig, so, perhaps I'm wrong--you aren't planning on wearing out any transmissions. Most others would, though. I drove stick for years but the last decade I was stuck in autos and I have to admit, it's getting kinda nice.

 

[fantastic]

MPG is not my single most priority. I buy old vehicles so that doesn't bode well for battery packs.

 

[The_Sheriff]

Well the simple answer is because your brother in-law and other people don't want a hybrid.

With that being said Hybrid technology has been around for a very long time and has progressively gotten better, Toyota and Honda do it best.

But me personally I do not want a hybrid it is more points of failure, more to go wrong and I like to keep vehicles as long as possible, in the future when electric vehicles get even better hopefully with solid state batteries I will just go electric.

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Ford hybrids are virtually identical to the Toyota system. There was cross licensing between Ford and Toyota when Ford was developing theirs many years ago. I have a ‘22 Maverick hybrid and it’s been great. It’s at 66,000 miles now, and the 2.5 litre duratec is a great engine with its beginnings as the Mazda L motor. No GDI to deal with. The all gears eCVT is a great transmission too.

 

[ripcord]

I don't know about late model Prius batteries, but our Gen 3 non-plugin car uses a pack that is made up of NiMh cells. If individual cells go bad, you can replace them separately for relatively cheap. A new complete pack can be purchased for around $2k these days.

 

[Hermann]

Best purchase of my life was the Maverick Hybrid. At my time of purchase the Hybrid was standard. As of last estimate I have saved $1275 in fuel compared to my previous truck, an F-150 2018 with a N/A V-6 which averaged 21.7 mpg. Not a fortune, but I still have the money and they don't. Even after 3+ years there has been minimal depreciation on the vehicle.

 

[Propflux01]

If you are a city driver, a hybrid is great. If you're a freeway hauler, not so much. Hence why you see city MPG is so high, but hwy MPG is pretty close to the same as a non-hybrid.

Then there is the cost when someone crashes into you at the roundabout....

 

[andrew_j]

BIL just bought a Cadillac XT4. I am wondering why he or anyone would not buy a Hybrid. I plan on buying a Forester, CX50, or RAV4 Hybrid?
Obviously I am posting this bc it is sure to arouse "feelings"...lol

He wanted a Cadillac not a hybrid….GM makes very few models and not their forte.