Hundreds march at McDonald's HQ over low wages

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Instead of protesting how about they get a real job?


Uh they show up for work, have a boss, take [censored] from customers, and get a (meager) paycheck. It is a real job, I respect it, and I demand you do the same.


What are talking about those are not "real" jobs. They were never intended to be jobs for supporting families. You can demand whatever your want, it doesn't mean your going to get it, you are not taking all aspects into account IMO.
Anyone with a job even a menial one deserves a "living wage" (whatever that is), is not realistic.

These were always for students to make a few bucks and housewives to supplement the family income or make some mad money nothing more unless it is in management/franchise owner.
Just because the EPA, Government regulations and draconian corporate tax rates have driven the "real" jobs that paid decent money overseas its no reason to force the retail and fast food industry to bare the burden of higher wages for unskilled or minimally skilled workers.
These are $7-8 an hour jobs and thats a lot for this sort of labor. Whats next baggers at grocery stores getting $15 an hour?

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Instead of protesting how about they get a real job?


Uh they show up for work, have a boss, take [censored] from customers, and get a (meager) paycheck. It is a real job, I respect it, and I demand you do the same.


It is all about taking responsibility. Nothing wrong with taking an entry level job like this, but folks get too content. Take the job, but look for a better one in the meantime. That may take a while, but at the end it'll pay off. Entry level jobs above minimum wage are out there.. (At least here locally.)

 

[Mr Nice]

Originally Posted By: bbhero
I agree with One eye Jack here.. If $15 is good enough then why not $25.??? I am sorry but entry level positions are NOT going to pay well. Period. In my hospital the CNAs make $9 an hr for dayshift. RN are at $22 an hr day shift. PT are $40 an hour. Physicians make 125 to 160,000 a year. The profit margin is really quite tight at 2% to 4% a year. That's after ALL the costs are paid out. If we raised the base pay to $15 an hour for ancillary staff like CNAs, secretarys, and environmental workers than our hospital would be bankrupt in no time. Unless we GREATLY increased fees for service. Which WOULD hurt MANY more people outside of the hospital.
Look, I would rather people make more money too. I have said many times that I feel that our CNAs should make more money.. Aka $11 an hr to start. But I am not in charge of that. Furthermore with government getting involved much more greatly now in our reimbursements it will have a vast effect upon ALL healthcare workers. I am not against certain part of the ACA. No easy answers to all of this. Truth is in my opinion we need ideas from across the spectrum to get this country on a better track. If this doesn't start happening soon I believe this nation is headed towards a far more serious decline.

Nurses have 6 patients so the CNA is helping out big time.
CNA are worth the xtra $5 an hour since they are under paid for what they do for 12 hours.

 

[expat]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Instead of protesting how about they get a real job?


Uh they show up for work, have a boss, take [censored] from customers, and get a (meager) paycheck. It is a real job, I respect it, and I demand you do the same.


What are talking about those are not "real" jobs. They were never intended to be jobs for supporting families. You can demand whatever your want, it doesn't mean your going to get it, you are not taking all aspects into account IMO.
Anyone with a job even a menial one deserves a "living wage" (whatever that is), is not realistic.

These were always for students to make a few bucks and housewives to supplement the family income or make some mad money nothing more unless it is in management/franchise owner.
Just because the EPA, Government regulations and draconian corporate tax rates have driven the "real" jobs that paid decent money overseas its no reason to force the retail and fast food industry to bare the burden of higher wages for unskilled or minimally skilled workers.
These are $7-8 an hour jobs and thats a lot for this sort of labor. Whats next baggers at grocery stores getting $15 an hour?





Exactly!

Soda jerks, paper boys, Wait staff never did get a 'living wage'
These positions are work experience, filler jobs not intended to pay for a roof over your head or raise a family.
This should be written down somewhere. Like in the heading of such job applications or engraved in stone above the 'exit' doors of our schools.

The problem is...what are the REAL jobs (should a job pay well just because the industry is controlled by a union?)
And how do you get one*

*I see part of the problem here is: For every kid in school with an IQ of 120, there is the 'other' kid, on the left of the Bell curve with an IQ of 80!

I think it could be very dangerous for society to ignore such people.
The time was, a 'less academically inclined could work in the forest, mines, fields and get-by with a living wage. Or at least work his way up to one as skills were learned.

Fear of litigation prevents many employers employing such people in an environment where heavy equipment, chemicals or other work hazards exist.

Seems a good sector of the population do not have the Steps on the ladder to climb out of poverty.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: expat

Seems a good sector of the population do not have the Steps on the ladder to climb out of poverty.

No one ever said life was easy. That's no reason to look to Gubberment to make it all better.
I was fortunate in that My parents put me through school. But my parent went through the depression and struggled mightily. They were Pennsylvania "Dutch"..pretty good stock. They believe in hard work. They passed that on to me.

I worked from the time I could push a lawnm ower and I did ugly dirty and dangerous summer jobs..dishwasher, quarry driller, and compressed air bottler working for Airco.

I never wanted to be poor, I struggled to be an engineer even though my IQ was not very high. I realize this is the internets and my story may be bogus. But I have no patience for someone who cries a friggin river bc they didn't get the breaks. Shut up and make your breaks!!! [/rant]

 

[eljefino]

Originally Posted By: Trav

These were always for students to make a few bucks and housewives to supplement the family income or make some mad money



At what point though do we find that all the jobs are for these "2nd class citizens" and there's no economic base left in town?

 

[Tdbo]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Instead of protesting how about they get a real job?


Uh they show up for work, have a boss, take [censored] from customers, and get a (meager) paycheck. It is a real job, I respect it, and I demand you do the same.


What are talking about those are not "real" jobs. They were never intended to be jobs for supporting families. You can demand whatever your want, it doesn't mean your going to get it, you are not taking all aspects into account IMO.
Anyone with a job even a menial one deserves a "living wage" (whatever that is), is not realistic.

These were always for students to make a few bucks and housewives to supplement the family income or make some mad money nothing more unless it is in management/franchise owner.
Just because the EPA, Government regulations and draconian corporate tax rates have driven the "real" jobs that paid decent money overseas its no reason to force the retail and fast food industry to bare the burden of higher wages for unskilled or minimally skilled workers.
These are $7-8 an hour jobs and thats a lot for this sort of labor. Whats next baggers at grocery stores getting $15 an hour?





Exactly!
They stand in front of McDonalds HQ yelping about their alleged sense of entitlement and feel that they have the right to determine their wages instead of the marketplace.
Their time would be better spent either searching out opportunities to expand their skill set or participating in training/education that would accomplish such.
There are opportunities, grants, etc to enable people to do this at little or no cost. I sat through a presentation last week that provides an entryway into the insurance industry as a CSR. Program is a two semester certificate program that is underwritten by grants and the insurance industry, with guaranteed interviews upon completion of the program, with motivation from the providers to fill the program and cover virtually all the cost. These are for jobs that will start at 35K/year with advancement potential.
If you want to improve your salary and plight in life, improve yourself and your skills.

 

[morepwr]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: expat

Seems a good sector of the population do not have the Steps on the ladder to climb out of poverty.

No one ever said life was easy. That's no reason to look to Gubberment to make it all better.
I was fortunate in that My parents put me through school. But my parent went through the depression and struggled mightily. They were Pennsylvania "Dutch"..pretty good stock. They believe in hard work. They passed that on to me.

I worked from the time I could push a lawnm ower and I did ugly dirty and dangerous summer jobs..dishwasher, quarry driller, and compressed air bottler working for Airco.

I never wanted to be poor, I struggled to be an engineer even though my IQ was not very high. I realize this is the internets and my story may be bogus. But I have no patience for someone who cries a friggin river bc they didn't get the breaks. Shut up and make your breaks!!! [/rant]



I agree 100%! There isnt anything wrong with doing a job like fast food, but it should be a stepping stone to something better and not a career. Unless you plan on starting a franchise then there isnt much room for advancement. I had entry level jobs but they were at places where I could learn things and advance. Started in the oil industry doing machinery maintenance and clean up and then I learned to run machines in the machine shop, learned more about equipment, electrical, hydraulics and so on until I was moved up to a higher level which opened doors to other companies that needed skilled labor.

 

[OneEyeJack]

What we need is one more government program that will ........

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Trav

These were always for students to make a few bucks and housewives to supplement the family income or make some mad money



At what point though do we find that all the jobs are for these "2nd class citizens" and there's no economic base left in town?


That point has come and gone, this McDonald's business is the end result.
Its going to take decades of hardship for many to undo what these crackpots have done.
First and foremost tax the bejesus on imports from anywhere but first world countries that have a fair trade policy with the United States. Force by regulation manufacturers to return production to the US.

They passed regulations that made them go offshore they can reverse it.
*Put the brakes on this criminal entity know as the EPA.
*Lower corporate tax rates to a low level, make it worth producing here.
*Open more trade schools and stop preaching only those with a degree can earn a decent living.
*Stop using government agencies as a weapon again manufacturers and taxpayers.
*Close the borders tighter than a bulls AHole in hurricane, legal immigration only with quotas and skilled only.
*Drill baby drill. Get gas down to $2 a gallon and keep it there.
*Stop subsidizing electric and hybrid vehicles, phones, welfare, student loans, all subsidies to the cord producers.
*Support the military with proper funding and make conscription or paid (minimum wage) community service mandatory.
*Implement real health care reform and repeal this trash that has been foisted on the people against their will.

I can think of a whole lot more but this would be a good start.

 

[dishdude]

I say the employers that think they should be able to hire labor at $7.25/hr have a sense of entitlement. Who should get to run their business with with next to free/almost slave labor?

If these folks were sitting at home collecting welfare, you'd tell them to get a job. They have a job, and you tell them to get a real job?

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
I say the employers that think they should be able to hire labor at $7.25/hr have a sense of entitlement. Who should get to run their business with with next to free/almost slave labor?
If these folks were sitting at home collecting welfare, you'd tell them to get a job. They have a job, and you tell them to get a real job?

I assume you have read the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engles (Both clueless as the day is long.) I have read it and I understand where y our feelings are coming from. Most would find the book laughable but there are those....

Businesses exist to make a profit for the corporation and shareholders. They hire employees and the model works. I doubt if any of us here who disagree with your "Government Solves All" look down at these workers. All we are saying is that if they all want higher wages, they may be forced to upgrade their skills and/or look elsewhere.

 

[Mr Nice]

dishdude,

$10 an hour is a *reasonable* minimum wage.
$15 an hour is unrealistic minimum wage.

 

[Blaze]

Originally Posted By: Trav



They passed regulations that made them go offshore they can reverse it.
*Put the brakes on this criminal entity know as the EPA.
*Lower corporate tax rates to a low level, make it worth producing here.
*Open more trade schools and stop preaching only those with a degree can earn a decent living.
*Stop using government agencies as a weapon again manufacturers and taxpayers.
*Close the borders tighter than a bulls AHole in hurricane, legal immigration only with quotas and skilled only.
*Drill baby drill. Get gas down to $2 a gallon and keep it there.
*Stop subsidizing electric and hybrid vehicles, phones, welfare, student loans, all subsidies to the cord producers.
*Support the military with proper funding and make conscription or paid (minimum wage) community service mandatory.
*Implement real health care reform and repeal this trash that has been foisted on the people against their will.

 

[Trav]

No one is talking about overthrowing the government, just reinstating one that has the the countries best interest at heart.

 

[rjundi]

Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
dishdude,

$10 an hour is a *reasonable* minimum wage.
$15 an hour is unrealistic minimum wage.



Depends where you live and that is the problem with folks spouting about minimum wage. $15 is an unlivable wage in some locales while others you can actually live a reasonable life.

 

[Cujet]

Ordered a "Southern Style Chicken Sandwich" at McD's yesterday.

No Drink, No Fries. Cost me about $6.

What I got was a Fillet o Fish box with Fillet o Fish buns, with a slab of lukewarm fried chix inside and 3 pickle slices.

It was nasty. Those idiots can learn a lot from Wendy's.

They deserve $2/hr for that, not $15.

 

[2002 Maxima SE]

Originally Posted By: Trav

What are talking about those are not "real" jobs. They were never intended to be jobs for supporting families. You can demand whatever your want, it doesn't mean your going to get it, you are not taking all aspects into account IMO.
Anyone with a job even a menial one deserves a "living wage" (whatever that is), is not realistic.

These were always for students to make a few bucks and housewives to supplement the family income or make some mad money nothing more unless it is in management/franchise owner.
Just because the EPA, Government regulations and draconian corporate tax rates have driven the "real" jobs that paid decent money overseas its no reason to force the retail and fast food industry to bare the burden of higher wages for unskilled or minimally skilled workers.
These are $7-8 an hour jobs and thats a lot for this sort of labor. Whats next baggers at grocery stores getting $15 an hour?


+1

Government is not the solution to our problems...government is the problem.

 

[OneEyeJack]

Not overthrow the government but we need to run many of the politicians out of their positions. They are worse than corrupt. Many are either stupid beyond fixing or just plain criminals that are running the show. They are so far above the law that they would not know the truth if it ran over them.

It appears that we let the criminals run the show and we pay the bills. What government is ever going to reform a sweet deal like that?

Just remember, if you like your representative, you can keep your representative.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
I say the employers that think they should be able to hire labor at $7.25/hr have a sense of entitlement. Who should get to run their business with with next to free/almost slave labor?

If these folks were sitting at home collecting welfare, you'd tell them to get a job. They have a job, and you tell them to get a real job?


No one is twisting anyone's arm to take a minimum wage job. The people taking those wages are doing so of their own free will. People capable of earning more than minimum wage are doing. Others develop some skills or get an education and search for jobs paying more money. That's how its been as far back as I can remember.