Hundreds march at McDonald's HQ over low wages

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Originally Posted By: Win

It is a real job, and many people here do not respect it ( I don't fancy myself as one of them, btw ), but so what? Disrespecting the job doesn't make the proposed solution into a viable one.

The way to ease the plight of the working class stiff is to build a robust economy where labor is in demand and the people at the bottom end of the economy have a wider selection of jobs to apply themselves to.

For decades, we've pursued policies of job destruction, vilification of job creators, and added adulteration of the labor force with massive quantities of illegals to add insult to the injury.

The death spiral will continue until corrective control inputs are applied.


Well I'm glad someone gets it.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4


What happens to all that money if the McDonald's employees don't get their raise? I'll tell you, Corporate America gets to keep the money .....


What makes you think "Corporate America" won't wind up with the money, anyway, when the recipients spend the new found largesse?

"Corporate America" will also end up with more of your money, because you'll be paying more for everything to support the new payscale.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
The market does not support it. These are basically entry level minimal skill jobs in a low cost low quality food market. The jobs are not designed to be for a long career.
Why should someone demand higher pay when you flip burgers or push the cheeseburger button. No real physical demands, no real education skills needed, and no shortage of workers.

I'm not knocking those who do that, its just that the job skills don't warrant a higher rate of pay.



Except that as we automate more and more, while exporting our manufacturing jobs overseas, there's a deck stacked further and further against the service industry, which now makes up over half the economy. Guess what that creates? A disappearing middle class, and class warfare between rich and poor.
 
Fast food is not the most skilled occupation. The higher your ability the higher your pay.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
d00df00d,

No for death.
Yes for learning a skill.

Sorry, you're still dodging the question.

What do you think should happen to someone who does not "learn a skill?"
 
In a selfish sort of way, I don't want all the lazy people to work their tails off and become ultra successful, because I wouldn't have become as successful as I am.

Example:
Suppose you were a successful surgeon making $500k per year. Suppose every lazy worker out there could take a magic pill that made them smart and ultra-motivated. Thus many of them would become surgeons. That surgeon suddenly has lots of competition and wouldn't make 500k anymore.


If you're successful, then (in a weird way) you benefit from a proportion of society being lazy. It means less competition for your skills.
 
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4


What happens to all that money if the McDonald's employees don't get their raise? I'll tell you, Corporate America gets to keep the money .....


What makes you think "Corporate America" won't wind up with the money, anyway, when the recipients spend the new found largesse?

"Corporate America" will also end up with more of your money, because you'll be paying more for everything to support the new payscale.


I don't mind paying more for a cheeseburger (and they worked it out to about a dime a meal for labor) because I would be VOLUNTARILY walking into the restaurant.

Presently, my paycheck is being robbed to subsidize these wages through EITC, section 8, obamacare, etc.

I don't mind my fellow Americans having the basics of life, in fact, I'm all for it. But if they put in 40 hours a week they should be getting it from their employers who should be getting it from the customers. Closed loop.

Corporate America will do fine. Go look at a mall food court. Who eats the fast food there? Retail workers. What do retail workers make? Near minimum wage, many of them.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
All this hate for the McDonald's and Walmart employees...

What happens to all that money if the McDonald's employees don't get their raise? I'll tell you, Corporate America gets to keep the money. And who's Corporate America? Are they people like you and me? Nope, they're the top 1% with 40% of the nation's money supply in their pockets. Think about it: 1% of the population gobbling up 40% of all the money in the United States! Do you think they work hard for it? Do you think they've earned it? Nope, they're kicking back in their cushy office chair while the money stacks up in their bank account. Money that SHOULD be available for you and me. That's right, if the McDonald's employees had a bigger slice of the pie, there would be MORE money in circulation, not less. More money in circulation means more money for you and me instead of the top 1% having it all. You guys that hate the McDonald's and Walmart employee are shooting yourselves in the foot. What you're doing is aiding and abetting that rich man at the top in his cushy office chair raking in six figures a year and keeping all the money for himself.


How much money is available in the USA that they have 40% of? It must be a specific amount or they couldn't have 40% of it.
 
Originally Posted By: xfactor9
In a selfish sort of way, I don't want all the lazy people to work their tails off and become ultra successful, because I wouldn't have become as successful as I am.

Example:
Suppose you were a successful surgeon making $500k per year. Suppose every lazy worker out there could take a magic pill that made them smart and ultra-motivated. Thus many of them would become surgeons. That surgeon suddenly has lots of competition and wouldn't make 500k anymore.


If you're successful, then (in a weird way) you benefit from a proportion of society being lazy. It means less competition for your skills.





I think that is the US mantra. ALso their stupid kids need an advantage that you end up paying for directly.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Flop houses, blue plate specials and shoe leather. Not nice apartments, cars, big screen TV, free cell phones, and steak.

In other words, the government will dictate what you can and can't have? Doesn't that sound like... something you very much don't want?

And have you actually done the math to figure out how much your solution would cost vs. what's actually the case?
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Trav
Flop houses, blue plate specials and shoe leather. Not nice apartments, cars, big screen TV, free cell phones, and steak.


In other words, the government will dictate what you can and can't have?


Since its other peoples money, yes. They did not earn it, its not theirs. Its not given to them for those things, its give to keep them from starving and keeping rain off their heads UNTIL they find employment.
 
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Trav
Flop houses, blue plate specials and shoe leather. Not nice apartments, cars, big screen TV, free cell phones, and steak.

In other words, the government will dictate what you can and can't have?


My bank account and line of credit dictates what I can and can't have. Isn't that the same for everyone? If it isn't it should be. The Gov't has no say in what I can afford or have. I could go on about credit criminal and credit slugs but the thread will get locked.
 
Let's flesh this out.

If you fall on hard times and lose everything, or if you happen to be born into a poor family, you suddenly find yourself unable to live anywhere but where the government tells you to live, unable to eat anything but what the government tells you to eat, unable to own anything but what the government says you can own, and unable to do much other than what the government says you can do.

And you think this is what's going to motivate you to do well for yourself?

Haven't you all spent the last several pages screaming bloody murder about government handouts creating dependency and stifling personal growth?
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
..... other than what the government says you can do.

And you think this is what's going to motivate you to do well for yourself?



Uh, yeah, of course it would. Who wants the government telling them what to do?
 
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
..... other than what the government says you can do.

And you think this is what's going to motivate you to do well for yourself?



Uh, yeah, of course it would. Who wants the government telling them what to do?

So getting a check from the government creates dependency, but the government ruling your life creates motivation?
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Trav
Flop houses, blue plate specials and shoe leather. Not nice apartments, cars, big screen TV, free cell phones, and steak.


In other words, the government will dictate what you can and can't have?


Since its other peoples money, yes. They did not earn it, its not theirs. Its not given to them for those things, its give to keep them from starving and keeping rain off their heads UNTIL they find employment.


It isn't other people's money. It's money the gov't collects to use for whatever is needed to be done.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Let's flesh this out.

If you fall on hard times and lose everything, or if you happen to be born into a poor family, you suddenly find yourself unable to live anywhere but where the government tells you to live, unable to eat anything but what the government tells you to eat, unable to own anything but what the government says you can own, and unable to do much other than what the government says you can do.

And you think this is what's going to motivate you to do well for yourself?



It would sure as [censored] motivate me. If I wanted better for myself I'd have to make some changes, changes that only I could make. To me money, or the lack of it is certainly a motivating force. Aren't you motivated by money? I am....

For the record I'm talking about normal healthy people, not sick or disabled individuals.
 
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