How to tax EVs

Higher toll rate with a tag is doable, it's already done now. Another column could be added on the right for EVs. What would likely be dicey is EV car owners could simply use a normal tag and pay normal rates as a result. So we're back to the registration and recognizing that a vehicle is an EV.

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Higher toll rate with a tag is doable, it's already done now. Another column could be added on the right for EVs. What would likely be dicey is EV car owners could simply use a normal tag and pay normal rates as a result. So we're back to the registration and recognizing that a vehicle is an EV.

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What should the fee be based on ? Axles? Weight? on and off bridges?

Since were talking federal here what if I drive 10K rurally in between toll areas?
 
Yes but then you pay all the extra when you sell the car. So I guess it’s deferred. Maybe there is a penalty for lying?

What if the car goes from me to the junkyard?
Or sits in backyard dead and simply never resells or gets junked -become the classic "yard planter"?

driving interval based fees need a live audit - or some kind of connectivity to self report.
 
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Road tax is already paid at tag renewal time. How no one seems to realize this that doesn’t drive an EV is beyond me. It costs me $200 per car, per year on top of renewal cost.

Next.
 
IMO, that seems very general; a yearly tax based on what?
Weight, value. These figures are at the fingertips of the DMV. It may not be completely fair to those who travel little, but so is licensing and insurance. It's the simplest solution.

All other suggestions seem complicated and carry high administrative effort or still aren't completely fair.
 
Road tax is already paid at tag renewal time. How no one seems to realize this that doesn’t drive an EV is beyond me. It costs me $200 per car, per year on top of renewal cost.

Next.

Pretty sure some states dont charge federal road tax at renewal.

In cali EV's pay a state fee now its called a RIF road improvement fee its 100 bones I think and raises with inflation.
 
Weight, value. These figures are at the fingertips of the DMV. It may not be completely fair to those who travel little, but so is licensing and insurance. It's the simplest solution.

All other suggestions seem complicated and carry high administrative effort or still aren't completely fair.
Weight is a given, as you say. Why value? I am not sure how that helps getting to a fair road use number.
I am guessing most EVs, being modern, could post annual mileage via cell phone app or on board electronics. In CA, we have BI-annual ICE smog checks that capture mileage; EV owners can cough up the numbers as well.

I struggle with a fixed number, because it creates winners and losers. But if administrative costs are prohibitive, do the same for ICE.

Again, I forget what I pay for my EV, but I recall doing the arithmetic and figuring I would have to buy a lotta petrol to even up.
Regardless, there is no "fair'. I gave up on that a long time ago... :)
 
Since this discussion is about taxing EVs, what EV in use today isn't connected ?
Most are but they dont report anything to the gov proactively.

Im ok with a regular check in say quarterly or half yearly.

What should the tax be paid against - weight, miles, price?
 
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You want to invent a road use tax which applies evenly to EV and ICE?

Tax the tires.

Every tax policy has advantages and disadvantages. Taxing tires would be a cool idea if it were easier to enforce or generated more revenue or something, but it doesn't. Tire taxes have been tried before but it went out of favor because manufacturer's made tires with poor traction just to have them last longer, and people started running tires until they were bald because they were super expensive. Tires are a safety item, so taxing them is a bad idea unless you have whole apparatus to audit the tire stores and vehicle inspections etc. Of course if you have that apparatus, you might as well just use it to enforce a simple tax on mileage or whatever, so there is no advantage.

In tax policy, you generally want to tax the least distortionary thing. You might also want to tax something that has a low administrative burden. Usually this is the thing with the least elastic supply.

The opposite of this would be taxing something that has a very elastic supply, and has a high administrative burden. The poster child for bad taxes is tariffs. Because imports are very elastic, so as soon as you impose the tariff, the amount of revenue you could earn goes down because imports drop (sometimes that's the purpose). And it's so easy to get around tariffs by marking-down prices, bundling goods together, creatively transforming goods prices into "license fees", or outright smuggling, that the administrative burden of enforcing them is basically a worst-case scenario among taxes, and you spend all the little bit of money you might have made on a huge customs apparatus.

When you tax something that has very inelastic supply, it means your tax will not cause prices to rise that much. That's because goods in demand with an inelastic supply intrinsically tend to generate high levels of rent (i.e. they are expensive out of proportion to their production cost). So when you tax them, the price doesn't tend to go up, the tax just comes out of the high/excessive rent (i.e. the price was high already before the tax). So from the perspective of the economy, the tax had little impact, because without the tax, everyone would have had to pay more for that good anyway. Put another way, taxes on supply-constrained goods are difficult to "pass on". If it's something with absolutely fixed supply, like land, it's impossible to pass the tax on because taxing land causes the price to fall by the same amount as the tax, so the cost to acquire the land is identical regardless of the tax rate. That's why land value taxes are the so-called "perfect" tax. Because land prices are pure economic rent, any tax price gets capitalized into the land cost, and there is no difference in the cost to acquire land. Now, if you can just convince all the county's in the world to stop taxing our houses and buildings and just tax the land under them, we would all pay much lower tax bills for the same amount of revenue generated.
 
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Assuming a rational administration is in charge of this, I think we could ditch the gas tax and implement a distance based charge on all passenger vehicles with different rates for different vehicle weights/classes. Perhaps introduce a small rebate on lower emissions to influence consumers to purchase more fuel efficient vehicles? In some places, you already report your odometer reading to your insurer for distance based discounts.

A lot of places already have a tire "tax" in the form of recycling/disposal fees and levies. I don't think it is better than a distance based charge though.
 
How about put the tax up front on new vehicles. One time based on expected mileage or whatever. Done and done.

Oh right the coddled OEM’s would freak out.
How about an annual flat rate Federal EV tax to "subsidize the go green grid." Certainly unfair to some, but there are a lot of things that are or were unfair that at one time or another we had to pay, or have to pay. ;)
 
Flat annual fee. The problem is that this is rather open to malpractice by the state because it allows politicians to punitively "punish" some citizens for political reasons. That is never acceptable behavior.
Just have a look at the price paid for gas in states like CA. Talk about being punished, that's being beaten over the head.
 
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