With regular 5k intervals and 75% city, 25% highway.
Are 3, 5k intervals perfectly fine?
Are 3, 5k intervals perfectly fine?
How long can an Amsoil EAO last with dino?
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yes but with the sub clause "25k when using Amsoil synthetics"
Lots of new Hondas are spec'ed for filter changes every other oil change. With the OLM in my Civic that comes out to about 12k miles per filter. Obviously this recommendation is for the OEM filters but I highly doubt they're anything special compared to other good quality ones (I've been using Wix/Napa Gold).
I don't know how much the specific engine has to do with the filter's ability to survive this long, but I doubt it's unique to Honda.
I don't know how much the specific engine has to do with the filter's ability to survive this long, but I doubt it's unique to Honda.
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With regular 5k intervals and 75% city, 25% highway.
Are 3, 5k intervals perfectly fine?
It always depends. With that ratio of city to highway, you're either a taxi or suggesting well over a year ...if you see what I mean.
How about a little more information? Annual mileage, average fuel economy .."day in the life of" ..etc.
With regular 5k intervals and 75% city, 25% highway.
Are 3, 5k intervals perfectly fine?
It always depends. With that ratio of city to highway, you're either a taxi or suggesting well over a year ...if you see what I mean.
How about a little more information? Annual mileage, average fuel economy .."day in the life of" ..etc.
I do about 15k a year, I usually get 250 miles winter/280 miles summer per 75 liter tank.
Two adults,one child, babysitter, school, work, hardware store etc. City is horrible planned and it takes at least 15 minutes to get anywhere.Very rarely does the coolant level never reach operating except for the very cold days. As for oil temp, I have no gauge. Pretty standard stuff except for a 420 mile trip(total back & forth) once every three or four weeks to a neighboring city.
P.S Although I am with the rest of the world with my country's system of measurement, I am using miles in this instance.
Two adults,one child, babysitter, school, work, hardware store etc. City is horrible planned and it takes at least 15 minutes to get anywhere.Very rarely does the coolant level never reach operating except for the very cold days. As for oil temp, I have no gauge. Pretty standard stuff except for a 420 mile trip(total back & forth) once every three or four weeks to a neighboring city.
P.S Although I am with the rest of the world with my country's system of measurement, I am using miles in this instance.
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Okay, taxi service ..and you get about 13-14 mpg.
I'd say that you're fine. @ 15k/year you can't be in warm up too much. You would have to space the events out almost perfectly to not warm the oil enough and be out of fuel enrichment a good bit. You'll be dumping the sump 3 times.
I'd say it should work out. Being in Canada puts a spin on filter selection.
I'd say that you're fine. @ 15k/year you can't be in warm up too much. You would have to space the events out almost perfectly to not warm the oil enough and be out of fuel enrichment a good bit. You'll be dumping the sump 3 times.
I'd say it should work out. Being in Canada puts a spin on filter selection.
Thanks
What really had me worried was their disclaimer that synthetic oil had to be used. Do you recommend removing the filter during those 3 sump oil changes and draining the small amount of oil? I'm thinking that would really negate the benefits of using a long life filter.
What really had me worried was their disclaimer that synthetic oil had to be used. Do you recommend removing the filter during those 3 sump oil changes and draining the small amount of oil? I'm thinking that would really negate the benefits of using a long life filter.
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The disclaimer has some "matched" models in mind for suitability. They don't want you just doing whatever OCI you want and using the filter for 25k. You've gotta look at the disclaimer on what it's trying to prevent in a "dumb view". Keep in mind you don't have to be dumb to have a dumb view. You've just got to be ignorant of things that aren't apparent.
I wouldn't remove the filter at all. Just dump and fill.
I wouldn't remove the filter at all. Just dump and fill.
X2 those filters can take a LOT of material before they are toast. If you look at the construction of one (cut away) you will see they are pretty darn bullet proof.
The AMSOIL disclaimer is:
EA Oil Filters are guaranteed to 25,000 miles or one year service life, whichever comes first, when used in conjunction with AMSOIL Synthetic Oil. Always change oil filter at the time of oil change."
If you want to use the filter longer than an oil drain with junk (excuse me, non-synthetic) or other than AMSOIL oil, you are on your own. Should it last longer? Sure, but it's on you at that point.
An alternative is to use a better oil and change less often.
EA Oil Filters are guaranteed to 25,000 miles or one year service life, whichever comes first, when used in conjunction with AMSOIL Synthetic Oil. Always change oil filter at the time of oil change."
If you want to use the filter longer than an oil drain with junk (excuse me, non-synthetic) or other than AMSOIL oil, you are on your own. Should it last longer? Sure, but it's on you at that point.
An alternative is to use a better oil and change less often.
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An alternative is to use a better oil and change less often.
..but isn't that neutralizing the effect? That is, I speculate that Amsoil doesn't want to be on the hook for a blanket "our filter is good for 25k/1 year" without sensible qualifications. One would want to assure that any oil used potentially over the same duration wasn't going to degrade to the point of making filter performance questionable.
That is, the question isn't suitability ..it's compatibility with a like length OCI/FCI. Since he's refreshing the sump in such a short order, there should be no issues for him.
Under his service ..in many OEM recommendations, he would be doing 2 dino changes and one filter change. That's a pretty hard thing to exempt yourself from ..that is, unless they don't meet or exceed OEM specifications.
If used in conjunction with AMSOIL Motor Oil that is being changed at intervals less than 25,000 miles, the EaO Filter should be changed at the same time. AMSOIL EaO Filters are not guaranteed for 25,000 miles when used with any oil other than AMSOIL Motor Oil and should be changed according to vehicle OEM recommendations.
An alternative is to use a better oil and change less often.
..but isn't that neutralizing the effect? That is, I speculate that Amsoil doesn't want to be on the hook for a blanket "our filter is good for 25k/1 year" without sensible qualifications. One would want to assure that any oil used potentially over the same duration wasn't going to degrade to the point of making filter performance questionable.
That is, the question isn't suitability ..it's compatibility with a like length OCI/FCI. Since he's refreshing the sump in such a short order, there should be no issues for him.
Under his service ..in many OEM recommendations, he would be doing 2 dino changes and one filter change. That's a pretty hard thing to exempt yourself from ..that is, unless they don't meet or exceed OEM specifications.
If used in conjunction with AMSOIL Motor Oil that is being changed at intervals less than 25,000 miles, the EaO Filter should be changed at the same time. AMSOIL EaO Filters are not guaranteed for 25,000 miles when used with any oil other than AMSOIL Motor Oil and should be changed according to vehicle OEM recommendations.
Those disclaimers are there to sell Amsoil motor oil, IMHO.
I've got about 15K over 3 OCI on one using junk
...er, Pennzoil Platinum and my truck hasn't died yet.
I've got about 15K over 3 OCI on one using junk
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I don't see it as much of a co-promotion as it is a CYI to prevent one dimensional interpretation.
I agree Gary that CYA is a part of the disclaimer.
I'm using the EaO filters with junk oil on my two Honda Elements and changing the filters at 12K. If they won't do that then I will go back to Honda filters.
I don't care who's filter you use, once you remove it, get rid of it. The outer gasket is only meant to compress so many times.
I don't care who's filter you use, once you remove it, get rid of it. The outer gasket is only meant to compress so many times.
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