Some esters have a fruity smell, others....like sticky buns.
how does your used oil smell?
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Originally Posted By: used_0il
Some esters have a fruity smell, others....like sticky buns.
You're used oil. Do you stink?
Some esters have a fruity smell, others....like sticky buns.
You're used oil. Do you stink?
I don't think so, but everyone else thinks I do.
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Was it serviceable? Boy howdee. I have managed to dig up a paper by a university professor on the efficacy of the formulation, The out take from the study is only for KyLu Oil products, BV (a Dutch company):
Observations and Possible Improvements in Racing Lubricants – An Industry Review
Dr. Richard Stiff PhD, ObGyn (eat al)
Department of Reservoir Engineering , Pettingphysics, Drilling Mechanics and Pyrotechnics
Slippery Rock University, Black Hole (Wax County), PA
This paper will endeavor to provide an anecdotal overview of the racing lubricants industry and some of the basics of how it operates. It is based on observation, input from various supposed experts and conclusions will be drawn based on my own deep experience. It is intended to spur interest in the scholarly pursuit by more quantitative methods of reservoir management and non-artesian release of the various fluids.
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Chapter 23 KyLu Oil Products, BV (an operating subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell)
Amsterdam, Netherlands
KyLu attempts to address a broad variety of needs, from desperate to nonchalant, and manufactures a range of products from the standard everyday industrial lubricant formulations right through to the interest of this paper – racing products.
Marketed as a superior enhancement to existing naturally occurring lubricants, KyLu’s premier racing products, named “Be-All” and “End-All”, have many unique, even counterintuitive properties. they are synthetics (manufactured apparently from lonnng chain components) and engineered to provide what the company calls “variable kinetic lubricity” depending on the use interval. While “BeAll” talks a good marketing story it is more conventional in the sense that it has a thinner viscosity when cold rising to a higher viscosity when heated but can fail to penetrate and adhere in extremely high stress races.
“EndAll”, strangely, operates in reverse manner to this which is the secret to the products success. It starts out cold with a certain coefficient of friction - relative high viscosity - advances through a high dynamic kinematic phase to finally climaxing hot at the end of each racing stint with virtually zero viscosity! Cumpletely used up.
Like any racing lubricant it is expected to be changed between stints as there is little to no detergent in the formulation. It is highly effective at keeping equipment within surface operating temperature limits and seems to have outstanding anti-wear properties. Measurements taken between stints indicate that both thrust bearings and end-play characteristics are within the safe range (foreplay was not investigated but..who cares). While valves appear to have no lasting deposits a doctorate level exam post-race is seen as prudent.
While “EndAll” has many legal disclaimers associated with it (the non-guarantees of performance, possible contractual obligations, who calls who the day after the race, etc etc) it is deemed generally safe for use. The products safety data investigation revealed that only one death has been reported due to “EndAll” use. A laboratory worker at an entity called Black-Stones expired after handling a used oil analysis sample the racing team neglected to mark as a biohazard. As yet full guilt is unresolved in court at this time.
Yada
Yada
Yes, I have too much time on my hands. Cheers.
Was it serviceable? Boy howdee. I have managed to dig up a paper by a university professor on the efficacy of the formulation, The out take from the study is only for KyLu Oil products, BV (a Dutch company):
Observations and Possible Improvements in Racing Lubricants – An Industry Review
Dr. Richard Stiff PhD, ObGyn (eat al)
Department of Reservoir Engineering , Pettingphysics, Drilling Mechanics and Pyrotechnics
Slippery Rock University, Black Hole (Wax County), PA
This paper will endeavor to provide an anecdotal overview of the racing lubricants industry and some of the basics of how it operates. It is based on observation, input from various supposed experts and conclusions will be drawn based on my own deep experience. It is intended to spur interest in the scholarly pursuit by more quantitative methods of reservoir management and non-artesian release of the various fluids.
*
*
Chapter 23 KyLu Oil Products, BV (an operating subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell)
Amsterdam, Netherlands
KyLu attempts to address a broad variety of needs, from desperate to nonchalant, and manufactures a range of products from the standard everyday industrial lubricant formulations right through to the interest of this paper – racing products.
Marketed as a superior enhancement to existing naturally occurring lubricants, KyLu’s premier racing products, named “Be-All” and “End-All”, have many unique, even counterintuitive properties. they are synthetics (manufactured apparently from lonnng chain components) and engineered to provide what the company calls “variable kinetic lubricity” depending on the use interval. While “BeAll” talks a good marketing story it is more conventional in the sense that it has a thinner viscosity when cold rising to a higher viscosity when heated but can fail to penetrate and adhere in extremely high stress races.
“EndAll”, strangely, operates in reverse manner to this which is the secret to the products success. It starts out cold with a certain coefficient of friction - relative high viscosity - advances through a high dynamic kinematic phase to finally climaxing hot at the end of each racing stint with virtually zero viscosity! Cumpletely used up.
Like any racing lubricant it is expected to be changed between stints as there is little to no detergent in the formulation. It is highly effective at keeping equipment within surface operating temperature limits and seems to have outstanding anti-wear properties. Measurements taken between stints indicate that both thrust bearings and end-play characteristics are within the safe range (foreplay was not investigated but..who cares). While valves appear to have no lasting deposits a doctorate level exam post-race is seen as prudent.
While “EndAll” has many legal disclaimers associated with it (the non-guarantees of performance, possible contractual obligations, who calls who the day after the race, etc etc) it is deemed generally safe for use. The products safety data investigation revealed that only one death has been reported due to “EndAll” use. A laboratory worker at an entity called Black-Stones expired after handling a used oil analysis sample the racing team neglected to mark as a biohazard. As yet full guilt is unresolved in court at this time.
Yada
Yada
Yes, I have too much time on my hands. Cheers.
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Sweet smell = esters
Just means the balance is off, needs more insulin.
Sweet smell = esters
Just means the balance is off, needs more insulin.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28756/what%E2%80%99s-that-smell-using-odor-as-an-oil-analysis-tool-
I'm surprised at the responses. We often talk about smelling atf as a diagnostic.
I'm surprised at the responses. We often talk about smelling atf as a diagnostic.
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28756/what%E2%80%99s-that-smell-using-odor-as-an-oil-analysis-tool-
I'm surprised at the responses. We often talk about smelling atf as a diagnostic.
Different application. Engine oil gets beat up by contaminants that it is meant to hold--soot, gas, partially unburnt HC's. atf otoh should not be seeing anything that pressing.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28756/what%E2%80%99s-that-smell-using-odor-as-an-oil-analysis-tool-
I'm surprised at the responses. We often talk about smelling atf as a diagnostic.
Different application. Engine oil gets beat up by contaminants that it is meant to hold--soot, gas, partially unburnt HC's. atf otoh should not be seeing anything that pressing.
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28756/what%E2%80%99s-that-smell-using-odor-as-an-oil-analysis-tool-
I'm surprised at the responses. We often talk about smelling atf as a diagnostic.
Different application. Engine oil gets beat up by contaminants that it is meant to hold--soot, gas, partially unburnt HC's. atf otoh should not be seeing anything that pressing.
+1...
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28756/what%E2%80%99s-that-smell-using-odor-as-an-oil-analysis-tool-
I'm surprised at the responses. We often talk about smelling atf as a diagnostic.
Different application. Engine oil gets beat up by contaminants that it is meant to hold--soot, gas, partially unburnt HC's. atf otoh should not be seeing anything that pressing.
+1...
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
GM makes a grape smelling gear oil. What does klotz smell like?
Well, if you ask the dirtbike/quad racers, Klotz is the best smelling oil. It's very sweet, almost fruity smelling.
They even make candles:
But Klotz is an expensive oil; I've only used it once. I just wanted to see how it performed, and of course, how it smelled. It worked great in my four-wheeler. Smelled like a masculine flower, if that makes any sense.
~ Triton
GM makes a grape smelling gear oil. What does klotz smell like?
Well, if you ask the dirtbike/quad racers, Klotz is the best smelling oil. It's very sweet, almost fruity smelling.
They even make candles:
But Klotz is an expensive oil; I've only used it once. I just wanted to see how it performed, and of course, how it smelled. It worked great in my four-wheeler. Smelled like a masculine flower, if that makes any sense.
~ Triton
2 cycle oil or 4 cycle?
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
2 cycle oil or 4 cycle?
They make both. And, most of their oils (yes, both 2 and 4 stroke oils) have the trademark smell.
The one I used was for 4 stroke.
It is API service SG/CF JASO-MA 4T --- Of course, the JASO-MA 4T is for wet clutch (shared sump) quads and bikes.
https://www.klotzlube.com/Ecommerce/site/content/PDFs/TECH/KL-840-Tech-Sheet.pdf
https://www.klotzlube.com/Ecommerce/site/content/PDFs/MSDS/MSDS-2014-KL-840.pdf
IMHO, this stuff is really good. But, it's a boutique oil, probably comparable to Redline in that sense. If I wasn't poor, I'd run Klotz in my Yamaha Raptor 350 exclusively, but since I don't have the money for that, I will just run either Mag 1 4T, or Rotella T6 (which is what I run in my 2001 Yamaha V-Star 650).
~ Triton
2 cycle oil or 4 cycle?
They make both. And, most of their oils (yes, both 2 and 4 stroke oils) have the trademark smell.
The one I used was for 4 stroke.
It is API service SG/CF JASO-MA 4T --- Of course, the JASO-MA 4T is for wet clutch (shared sump) quads and bikes.
https://www.klotzlube.com/Ecommerce/site/content/PDFs/TECH/KL-840-Tech-Sheet.pdf
https://www.klotzlube.com/Ecommerce/site/content/PDFs/MSDS/MSDS-2014-KL-840.pdf
IMHO, this stuff is really good. But, it's a boutique oil, probably comparable to Redline in that sense. If I wasn't poor, I'd run Klotz in my Yamaha Raptor 350 exclusively, but since I don't have the money for that, I will just run either Mag 1 4T, or Rotella T6 (which is what I run in my 2001 Yamaha V-Star 650).
~ Triton
Royal purple looks like it would taste great.... Grape soda
It smells like burnt leathery bacon.
I ordered the klotz 0w 40 esterline racing for the mustang and t/a. Also found a couple quarts of grape gear oil for cheap to try in the t/a.
So I guess my new criteria for oil selection is how good they smell. As good a philosophy as any.
So I guess my new criteria for oil selection is how good they smell. As good a philosophy as any.
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I think you're on to something there. Grapeseed oil is more resistant to smoking than other generally available oils. So for sauteing gears of all types, it is the go-to solution. Technology has advanced beyond the days of castor beans. What an exciting modern age we live in.
I worked in the quick lube industry for many years, and pretty much all used oil smelled the same. Used oil smelled different if it was contaminated with antifreeze, but it all smelled the same to me.
You guys are crazy. I judge new oil by its pretty bottle. The more colorful the better.
Used oil I judge by sparkles. The more pretty sparkles, the better the oil performed.
Used oil I judge by sparkles. The more pretty sparkles, the better the oil performed.
Originally Posted By: TFB1
I'm just now sober enough to post...
We'll be the judge of that.
I'm just now sober enough to post...
We'll be the judge of that.
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