How Cool Is Too Cool?

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That question has probably been asked in other contexts, but here it's a 750cc air-cooled twin. Mostly splash lubrication, part of the system is pressurized, just enough to add a spin-on filter and an oil cooler. The original sump capacity was about two quarts, the cooler added almost a quart, which is most of the reason I installed it. A roughly 50% increase in oil capacity can't be a bad thing when the bike is being run hard.

Manufacturer calls for 20w-50, which seems to work well. In this case I've got Motul 3000 4T which so far seems to hold together real well. If I don't run that it's the Valvoline 20w-50 V-Twin formula. The manufacturer recommended OCI is short, 2,500 km, so no synthetic.

My question is this -- at 70 degrees ambient after about a half hour of low-speed in-town riding the crankcase surface temp (F) is 170, head temp around 215, the oil going to the cooler is about 155, returning from the cooler is around 135. That's about what I'd expect from this cooler.

I don't know much about how multi-viscosity oil works. I do know that above a certain temperature every 20 degree increase cuts the oil life in half, that came from the factory school when I was working as a mechanic. I don't remember the temp, but I do remember it was pretty hot and only a concern in high ambient temps or severe service.

Before now I don't know if I'd ever thought about oil being too cool. Is that a concern? Is there such a thing as an ideal minimum operating temperature for 20w-50 oil in an air-cooled engine?
 
That question has probably been asked in other contexts, but here it's a 750cc air-cooled twin. Mostly splash lubrication, part of the system is pressurized, just enough to add a spin-on filter and an oil cooler. The original sump capacity was about two quarts, the cooler added almost a quart, which is most of the reason I installed it. A roughly 50% increase in oil capacity can't be a bad thing when the bike is being run hard.

Manufacturer calls for 20w-50, which seems to work well. In this case I've got Motul 3000 4T which so far seems to hold together real well. If I don't run that it's the Valvoline 20w-50 V-Twin formula. The manufacturer recommended OCI is short, 2,500 km, so no synthetic.

My question is this -- at 70 degrees ambient after about a half hour of low-speed in-town riding the crankcase surface temp (F) is 170, head temp around 215, the oil going to the cooler is about 155, returning from the cooler is around 135. That's about what I'd expect from this cooler.

I don't know much about how multi-viscosity oil works. I do know that above a certain temperature every 20 degree increase cuts the oil life in half, that came from the factory school when I was working as a mechanic. I don't remember the temp, but I do remember it was pretty hot and only a concern in high ambient temps or severe service.

Before now I don't know if I'd ever thought about oil being too cool. Is that a concern? Is there such a thing as an ideal minimum operating temperature for 20w-50 oil in an air-cooled engine?
You want it to get fairly warm to help drive off condensation and any fuel that might get in there. Although your short OCI might mean that doesn't matter one bit.

Can you install a thermal bypass so that the cooler doesn't come in circuit until the oil is up to temp?
 
You want it to get fairly warm to help drive off condensation and any fuel that might get in there. Although your short OCI might mean that doesn't matter one bit.

Can you install a thermal bypass so that the cooler doesn't come in circuit until the oil is up to temp?
Good idea. I will look into this.
 
That question has probably been asked in other contexts, but here it's a 750cc air-cooled twin. Mostly splash lubrication, part of the system is pressurized, just enough to add a spin-on filter and an oil cooler. The original sump capacity was about two quarts, the cooler added almost a quart, which is most of the reason I installed it. A roughly 50% increase in oil capacity can't be a bad thing when the bike is being run hard.

Manufacturer calls for 20w-50, which seems to work well. In this case I've got Motul 3000 4T which so far seems to hold together real well. If I don't run that it's the Valvoline 20w-50 V-Twin formula. The manufacturer recommended OCI is short, 2,500 km, so no synthetic.

My question is this -- at 70 degrees ambient after about a half hour of low-speed in-town riding the crankcase surface temp (F) is 170, head temp around 215, the oil going to the cooler is about 155, returning from the cooler is around 135. That's about what I'd expect from this cooler.

I don't know much about how multi-viscosity oil works. I do know that above a certain temperature every 20 degree increase cuts the oil life in half, that came from the factory school when I was working as a mechanic. I don't remember the temp, but I do remember it was pretty hot and only a concern in high ambient temps or severe service.

Before now I don't know if I'd ever thought about oil being too cool. Is that a concern? Is there such a thing as an ideal minimum operating temperature for 20w-50 oil in an air-cooled engine?

It's not above a certain temperature, it's with every 20 degree rise.

I'm not concerned about lower temps when loitering around town, except if that's all I do. I want to know how hot it gets when really using the bike.

In any case those temps are hot enough to drive off moisture. After all, if you leave water out, it dries up at any temp. It'll evaporate quickly at 170 degrees. And that 170 degrees is a mix of the cooled oil and the uncooled, so that part is well above 170 while being flung about.
 
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I don't feel that the temps your seeing will cause any harm or excessive wear, but what might cause the oil to drop in viscosity being it's run thru the transmission. It will probably shear down a grade of so from that. If you are concerned with condensation being a problem when the bike is cold, pull the oil cap and look for signs of water or a white mush that tends to collect there. The only cure for that is to let the engine get hotter. You can try putting a cover over the oil cooler when the temps are low, to keep more heat in the oil, then remove it when the air temps warms up.,,
 
It's not above a certain temperature, it's with every 20 degree rise.

I'm not concerned about lower temps when loitering around town, except if that's all I do. I want to know how hot it gets when really using the bike.

In any case those temps are hot enough to drive off moisture. After all, if you leave water out, it dries up at any temp. It'll evaporate quickly at 170 degrees. And that 170 degrees is a mix of the cooled oil and the uncooled, so that part is well above 170 while being flung about.
Thank you -- this is the context I was looking for. If the only concern is moisture, and if the oil is working the way it's supposed to at relatively low temperatures, that addresses my concern. I just didn't want to be inadvertently causing damage because the oil was not up to some design parameter of operating temperature that I was unaware of.

I have not yet run the bike hard in higher ambient temps since I put the oil cooler on but that will happen soon. The 20 degree drop between supply and return is thus far encouraging.

I will be installing the thermostatic bypass and measuring engine operating temperature as well.
 
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