How complacency lead to overcharged .223 cartridges

wwillson

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I go twice a year to remote South Dakota to shoot prairie rats. The ranch we shoot on has a massive number of these prairie rats. We normally shoot for two days and are burned out and go home. It is common to shoot 2000 round each in two days. That's a lot of ammunition and a lot of reloading.

I reload with a Hornady progressive press and have for almost two decades. The powder measure is also a Hornady that is made for my press. The powder measure is set and forget, because once you have it set for a particular type and lot of powder, the dropped amount doesn't change.

I load 24.9 grains of Hodgdon H-335 behind a 55 grain jacketed BT. Last fall I loaded about 500 rounds before my grand kids got here for a visit, then loaded another 500 rounds after they left. I dumped the 1,000 rounds of newly loaded .223 into a large ammo can that already had 1,000 previously loaded rounds of the exact same components.

My shooting friends and I met at the hotel and get everything ready to go to the ranch.

We set up and commenced thinning the rat herd. The very first shot I took resulted in a stuck bolt carrier, because the primer came out of the primer pocket and jammed the carrier. I cleared the rifle and the second shot had the same result. This went on for about an hour of fiddling and even making a phone call to couple different people I know that are highly experience and knowledgeable on the AR-15 platform. I looked several of the fired brass over and noticed all had bolt face markings, an axial gouge from the extractor and the rim was bent from the extractor pulling so hard on the rim.

Then this happened:

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You see a case head separation, which resulted in a face full of very hot high pressure gas. My shooting was done. You can also see a very bulged primer with a rimmed crater and bolt markings on the head. At this point I knew the only thing that could cause all of these symptoms together is over pressure. I packed up my gun and ammo and spent the rest of the time there spotting with my binoculars for my shooting buddies.

When I got home, I pulled five cartridges and weighed the powder charges. Remember, I load 24.9 grains. All five pulled samples weighed 28.3 grains!!!! Holy high pressure bat-man! The pressure curve isn't linear, instead it's geometric. Who knows how high the pressure was in these rounds, but I promise it was huge.

How in the world does someone with decades of reloading experience and a controlled environment make a mistake like this? It took me a couple months to figure out how this happened. Remember my grand kids visited? Well, my grandson loves to go to the garage with grandpa and talk about cars, tools, and such. We were in the garage and I was working on something under the hood of a vehicle and he was puttering. At one point I looked over and he was looking at my reloading press and asked me what it was for. We talked about it and that was that. When they left, I reloaded the next 500 rounds, kind of in a hurry.

See where this is going? See the complacency that I set the stage for at the beginning? That wonderful powder measure that is set and forget? I was in a hurry? My grandson had to have turned the powder measure adjustment knob when I wasn't watching. Because I know that this powder measure never changes, I didn't measure the drop when I reloaded the last 500 rounds, because why would I need to, right? Wrong. Huge huge mistake that I will never make again.

I pulled all 2,000 rounds in the ammo can, because I had no reliable way to separate the 500 that I overcharged, then reloaded all 2,000. That is like writing 100,000 times, "I will check the powder drop every 50 rounds."

You can bet that now until forever I will sample and not get complacent.
 
WOW!! Glad you're OK. Rifle got a severe proof test. Friend loads 45ACP and did the opposite NO powder! Thankfully, he was shooting a semiauto so no second shot reload. The primer had enough power to send the bullet down the barrel to completely block it, but not enough to cycle the action.
 
WOW!! Glad you're OK. Rifle got a severe proof test. Friend loads 45ACP and did the opposite NO powder! Thankfully, he was shooting a semiauto so no second shot reload. The primer had enough power to send the bullet down the barrel to completely block it, but not enough to cycle the action.
Thanks

Reloading has to be done exactly correct every time, or else.

Squibs are another story, I will never admit to ruining a 1911 45 ACP barrel with a squib when I first started reloading a long time ago.
 
BTW: they're called "Land Carp" 😉

Or Sod Poodles.

@wwillson any reason to have the action parts and barrel tested, magnafluxed or whatever for flaws?

This is my daughter shooting my Rock River Arms AR-15 Varmint 12 years ago at an indoor range. I bought the ammo at the range. It trashed the rifle thankfully she was unhurt. Wonder what the chamber pressure was?
 
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Wow that could have ended badly, glad you didn't get hurt! Either there was a distraction when you set up the powder measure, or something went wrong with the powder measure. I could never comfortably set and forget my powder measure. I reload with a single stage press, drop the charge and then trickle charge to get the desired exact amount of powder. I often found slight variations in powder charges when I use the powder measure, although nothing that large.

Having said all of that I never loaded 2K rounds of the same ammo in one sitting, that probably would have taken me a month.
 
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This brings up a bad memory that is as clear to me now, as when it happened. Back when I was living in Glendale it was around 2006 when Cabela's opened there big new store there. I went to check out all of their guns and reloading stuff. I ended up buying the then new Lyman 1200 DPS electronic powder dispenser "system".

At that time everyone was raving about these new electronic powder dispensers. How much faster, easier, and accurate they were. Plus they were, "cool as hell"... So naturally I had to have one. They also had .375 H&H Magnum brass and bullets cheaper than I could get them for anywhere else, so I bought a bunch.

I picked a load of 66.7 grains of IMR 4064, with a Sierra 300 Gr. Spitzer Boat Tail. I then plugged in and "Programmed" the measure / dispenser. What I thought was strange is this unit required a several minute "warm up mode", before using. So I let it "warm up" way longer than the few minutes required, as I got everything else ready.

And then started reloading. I checked the first several drops with my old Lyman balance beam scale, and they were right on the money. So I loaded a total of 60 rounds, and headed to the range the next day. The first few shots in my Winchester Model 70 were giving me hard bolt lift with flattened primers.

I then switched guns and put 3 more rounds downrange with my Browning A-Bolt BOSS, and got the same deal. Something wasn't right because these loads were under maximum, and there is no way the primers should have been flattened like that.

I called it quits, and when I got home I pulled the bullets from 3 rounds from the same box, and the charge weight was 71.5 Grains..... 1-1/2 GRAINS OVER MAXIMUM! That's a total of 4.8 grains difference from the load I had programmed. While not catastrophic, it was inexcusable... Not to mention outright dangerous.

I ended up pulling the bullets from all the rounds, and what had to be the first box I reloaded was right at 66.7 grains. (The correct weight). But they started creeping up from there. I then pulled all the bullets, collected all the powder, and reloaded all the rounds, checking every one on my Lyman balance beam scale.

I took that electronic scale back, and Cabela's was very good at giving me a full refund. I don't know if I "got a bad one", and I really don't care. Because I have never, and will never trust an electronic scale again.

Are the newer ones better? Perhaps, but I'll never have the confidence to use one again, without checking every charge against a balance beam scale. Because gravity never lies. And that being the case, there is no point in me getting another one. Live and learn.
 
This brings up a bad memory that is as clear to me now, as when it happened. Back when I was living in Glendale it was around 2006 when Cabela's opened there big new store there. I went to check out all of their guns and reloading stuff. I ended up buying the then new Lyman 1200 DPS electronic powder dispenser "system".

At that time everyone was raving about these new electronic powder dispensers. How much faster, easier, and accurate they were. Plus they were, "cool as hell"... So naturally I had to have one. They also had .375 H&H Magnum brass and bullets cheaper than I could get them for anywhere else, so I bought a bunch.

I picked a load of 66.7 grains of IMR 4064, with a Sierra 300 Gr. Spitzer Boat Tail. I then plugged in and "Programmed" the measure / dispenser. What I thought was strange is this unit required a several minute "warm up mode", before using. So I let it "warm up" way longer than the few minutes required, as I got everything else ready.

And then started reloading. I checked the first several drops with my old Lyman balance beam scale, and they were right on the money. So I loaded a total of 60 rounds, and headed to the range the next day. The first few shots in my Winchester Model 70 were giving me hard bolt lift with flattened primers.

I then switched guns and put 3 more rounds downrange with my Browning A-Bolt BOSS, and got the same deal. Something wasn't right because these loads were under maximum, and there is no way the primers should have been flattened like that.

I called it quits, and when I got home I pulled the bullets from 3 rounds from the same box, and the charge weight was 71.5 Grains..... 1-1/2 GRAINS OVER MAXIMUM! That's a total of 4.8 grains difference from the load I had programmed. While not catastrophic, it was inexcusable... Not to mention outright dangerous.

I ended up pulling the bullets from all the rounds, and what had to be the first box I reloaded was right at 66.7 grains. (The correct weight). But they started creeping up from there. I then pulled all the bullets, collected all the powder, and reloaded all the rounds, checking every one on my Lyman balance beam scale.

I took that electronic scale back, and Cabela's was very good at giving me a full refund. I don't know if I "got a bad one", and I really don't care. Because I have never, and will never trust an electronic scale again.

Are the newer ones better? Perhaps, but I'll never have the confidence to use one again, without checking every charge against a balance beam scale. Because gravity never lies. And that being the case, there is no point in me getting another one. Live and learn.

Bill,

I've been using a RCBS digital powder measure/scale for likely 15 years. It's been very consistent. I do often use the check weights to verify. I would think most, if not all decent digital scales would allow you to reset using a check weight. I don't think I could even use a beam scale anymore....it's like driving without Apple/Google maps!
 
Wow that could have ended badly, glad you didn't get hurt! Either there was a distraction when you set up the powder measure, or something went wrong with the powder measure.

He said he thinks his young grandson messed with the powder measure. His mistake was starting another run of cartridges later without first confirming the powder drop.

I haven't reloaded for a while but when I do it's with an old Rock Chucker one at a time checking every 10th powder drop from my inexpensive powder measure. No distractions, no music, phone calls, etc. Just be a machine.
 
He said he thinks his young grandson messed with the powder measure. His mistake was starting another run of cartridges later without first confirming the powder drop.

I haven't reloaded for a while but when I do it's with an old Rock Chucker one at a time checking every 10th powder drop from my inexpensive powder measure. No distractions, no music, phone calls, etc. Just be a machine.
Yes, I just re-read it. I could never get my powder drop accurate enough to overcome my OCD, it was very close, but not close enough for me. So I'd drop the charge and trickle charge it up. I'll do 50-100 rounds a session on a lousy winter day. I found different powders were more accurate than others coming out of the drop.
 
Bill,

I've been using a RCBS digital powder measure/scale for likely 15 years. It's been very consistent. I do often use the check weights to verify. I would think most, if not all decent digital scales would allow you to reset using a check weight. I don't think I could even use a beam scale anymore....it's like driving without Apple/Google maps!

I hear you. Most of my reloading I do today is on progressive presses. (2 MEC's for shotgun, and 2 Dillon Progressives for all handgun and 5.56 MM & .223). They have powder bars that lock with an Allen screw, and never move once they're set.

I've never had one move in the 50+ years I've been loading on them. I trust them completely. It's just my wife and I, so no one gets near them except us. But as far as the electronic scales, I may break down and try one. Electronic technology has advanced a ton in the last 20 years.

My bigger Magnum rifles I have just don't get shot enough to need the speed of a progressive. So using a single stage press, and weighing every charge isn't that big of a deal for me.

I did break down and buy a digital electronic tire inflator / gauge. And it is right on the money when I compare it to any of my mechanical gauges.
 
"How in the world does someone with decades of reloading experience and a controlled environment make a mistake like this?"

Sorry this happened to you. Glad no big injuries.

I would look at this from a different foxhole. It is reasonable to assume as we age, our mind is not what it was just ten or twenty years ago. That is reality. Even though we may be more levelheaded and seasoned, short-term memory loss is not uncommon.

I think as I get older, putting certain measures in place to compensate for potential short term memory loss, and associated conditions is likely a once of good measure.
 
@wwillson I'm glad no one was injured. Working for 3 decades in manufacturing, complacency often leads to injury or worse. I'm glad you have set up a check process for moving forward! Enjoy helping control the population of nuisance anmals.
 
as we age, our mind is not what it was just ten or twenty years ago. short-term memory loss is not uncommon.

I think as I get older, putting certain measures in place to compensate for potential short term memory loss, and associated conditions is likely a once of good measure.

@wwillson can have all the guns he wants, just take away the ammo. No doubt his mind is going. ;)
 
I hear you. Most of my reloading I do today is on progressive presses. (2 MEC's for shotgun, and 2 Dillon Progressives for all handgun and 5.56 MM & .223). They have powder bars that lock with an Allen screw, and never move once they're set.

I've never had one move in the 50+ years I've been loading on them. I trust them completely. It's just my wife and I, so no one gets near them except us. But as far as the electronic scales, I may break down and try one. Electronic technology has advanced a ton in the last 20 years.

My bigger Magnum rifles I have just don't get shot enough to need the speed of a progressive. So using a single stage press, and weighing every charge isn't that big of a deal for me.

I did break down and buy a digital electronic tire inflator / gauge. And it is right on the money when I compare it to any of my mechanical gauges.

Anything I need the best accuracy is all done on a single stage.
Yes, I just re-read it. I could never get my powder drop accurate enough to overcome my OCD, it was very close, but not close enough for me. So I'd drop the charge and trickle charge it up. I'll do 50-100 rounds a session on a lousy winter day. I found different powders were more accurate than others coming out of the drop.

Lots of variables. For me, the Hornady progressive meters some short-cut powders very well, while some other powders it is not as accurate as I'd like. I load a lot of 223 and 6.8SPC on the progressive. I largely use H332 for 6.8 with 100/110gr boolets. Meters well. 223 powders are pretty accurate as well. I do use a powder cop, so I don't worry about a double charge.

I like 45/70 and 450Marlin. I've found my rifles in these calibers, OF COURSE are most accurate toward to max loadings. Especially a SS Ruger1 in 45/75. I wouldn't dare try to load these on a progressive. Worth the time on a single-stage. Same withh 300 and 338RUM.
 
Glad your not hurt I have loaded over 50 years and have had 2 over loads 1 a 44 mag bulged cylinder and a 41 mag both double charge red dot. Now i always double check laod as I go maybe every 10 or 20 rounds and even tho I now load on a Dillion with a powder check installed.. Only 1 powder on bench at a time. have to say tho you should have stopped at second blown primer with extractor marks but may have been hard due to your yearly trip and wanting to get into it cant it say i would have not done same even tho we both know better sure if you were at local sat range shoot you would have caught it.
 
bye the way I use the unitek micrometer adjustment thing on powder measure and occasionally double check setting is way easier with a visual look then a random bolt or knob on powder measure.
 
I"ve been reloading since the 80's and had never considered that someone would mess with the powder measure setting.
I do verify that it's throwing what it's set for before each session, but it is out of habit because I expect it to be were I left it.

I load on Dillons and have covers for my presses but don't use them all of the time, maybe I should start.
 
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