Mannix, do you have any inside info as to whether Maxlife blend is still partially PAO?
How can syn blend be so cheap?
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so WPP making Supertech syn would have similar base GRP III as CP?
I agree with Mannix. PAO only shines in extremes. Grp III has shown through UOA's to be super stout at least out to 5000 miles.
I view the CP marketing scheme of labeling their conventional oils "Synthetic Blends" as just that, marketing. Perhaps they are using a combination of Group I and Group III base oils to still make use of Group I capacity instead of upgrading to a Group II or II+ base oil plant. With most other companies their synthetic blends are an up-spec product with not only a better final base oil than the conventional products but perhaps a better additive package as well. CP is selling a very competitive conventional product while using marketing magic to make it look like an up-spec product.
Sure the place is called Valu Home Center. Its a home improvement store, but they usually put the kendall on sale a few times a year.
These syn blends aren't cheap outside the great walls of China*Mart.
Maxlife is up to $3.89 per quart at NAPA.
Maxlife is up to $3.89 per quart at NAPA.
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But schaeffer's blend products combine 25% Grp IV with the balance of group III, right? Big difference basestock-wise with some of these other oils that are just a Grp II base with 10 or so of Grp III.
Thanks for any clarification,
JMH
Anyone know much about this CP product I am using in my rig right now?!...
http://tds.econocophillips.com/catalogs/...20TDS%20Web.pdf
I got my goo for pennies on the dollar..
http://tds.econocophillips.com/catalogs/...20TDS%20Web.pdf
Love it man!
I hear a lot of the 0w-20s are partially PAO..that's my next victim if and only if I ever stop using the above fan-freaking-tastic 5w-20 oil!
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Originally Posted By: Mannix
All of the Conoco_phillips syn blends: motorcraft, trop arctic, kendall, 76 are blended using ~50% group III syntheic base oils. Group III is a highly refined dino oil, that is hydroprocessed to a higher degree than regular grp II base oils. They have a supplier from Korea that produces the Grp III base oils for them very inexpensively. The CP syn blends have better cold flow and oxidation properties, but contain a standard additive package. They are a great value, but here is them kicker: CP is jointly controlled by the Venezuelan gov't...
Wrong info. At the time only XOM and COP stood up to Chavez. Chevron and BP are two of the larger companies that capitulated.
But thread has a little history on Phillips PCMO's.
All of the Conoco_phillips syn blends: motorcraft, trop arctic, kendall, 76 are blended using ~50% group III syntheic base oils. Group III is a highly refined dino oil, that is hydroprocessed to a higher degree than regular grp II base oils. They have a supplier from Korea that produces the Grp III base oils for them very inexpensively. The CP syn blends have better cold flow and oxidation properties, but contain a standard additive package. They are a great value, but here is them kicker: CP is jointly controlled by the Venezuelan gov't...
Wrong info. At the time only XOM and COP stood up to Chavez. Chevron and BP are two of the larger companies that capitulated.
But thread has a little history on Phillips PCMO's.
In this thread and others add packs come up. I remember when I first startedon BITOG add packs were the advantage of synthetics. Robust add packs. What happened? SN for the most part depeted most. So if you want a pretty good add pack you have to buy PYB.Some synthetics are really bad add pack wise.
Here's info about the Korean Group III base oil CP imports and distributes:
http://baseoil.phillips66.com/EN/products/grp3_base_oils/pages/index.aspx
http://www.s-oil.com/siteEng/business/lube/lubeBaseOil.asp
I don't know if it is as wonderful as they claim.
A syn blend oil can be made from low quality G-III oil plus low quality conventional oil so the result just meets spec, add an ordinary additive package, and market it as something special synthetic blend. We know that the CP blends work as good as any conventional oil, so no problems, but likely nothing very special.
http://baseoil.phillips66.com/EN/products/grp3_base_oils/pages/index.aspx
http://www.s-oil.com/siteEng/business/lube/lubeBaseOil.asp
I don't know if it is as wonderful as they claim.
A syn blend oil can be made from low quality G-III oil plus low quality conventional oil so the result just meets spec, add an ordinary additive package, and market it as something special synthetic blend. We know that the CP blends work as good as any conventional oil, so no problems, but likely nothing very special.
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