House flooded then Tesla burns it to the ground.

Ws6 said:
Still waiting on that flooded EV6/9/HI5 fire story...
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I have been owning and driving ICE vehicles for the last half century plus. I'm still waiting for my first one to, "catch on fire". And I've NEVER owned, or will own an EV.

How many years have you been driving EV's? And if they're so wonderful, why do you bother keeping any ICE vehicles?
 
demarpaint said:
OK, but the science says lithium ion battery technology is the problem in floods. I'm not going to comb the web for EV6/9/HI5 fire stories, my bet is give it time and we'll be seeing them pop up. If you can prove the science is any different for them, go for it. I can't prove the science is any different, and I won't try. If you feel your EV is safer than an ICE vehicle maybe you should go all EV. Me I feel gas is safer, even with your fire links. I have my money where my mouth is, no EVs, you won't see an EV on my property, for fire reasons, higher insurance rates, and a slew of other reasons. Do you still own an ICE vehicle?
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Fire is a risk with any car. However, it is far down on the list of "things that can harm me involving my vehicle". So far down the list that frankly, I don't care, ICE or EV, about the risk of fire.

As far as the physics of it, Kia battery packs are sealed very well, and inside those packs, you will find very well sealed polymer cases containing the actual lithium batteries. Salt water isn't getting to them. Tesla on the other hand has the batteries placed in foam, with the contacts accessible, inside the case. If the case leaks, whatever leaks in, has access to actual batteries. Over time...

This is why almost all of the fires after floods are Tesla, and not cars with architecture like my ev6, or the Volvo, or other similar module case within case designs.

More risky, is a fuel rail above hot headers in a wreck. But i never worried about that either to be fair.

I inherited my mother's car, which is an older Buick. I drive it and keep it for reasons completely unrelated to any mechanical aspect of the vehicle.
 
Another non Tesla, (Audi this time), goes up in flames inside a locked repair shop on a Sunday morning. Audi gives the same "remedy" the others do.... "Do not park the vehicle indoors unattended, and keep it at least 50 feet away from structures." Sounds comforting.

 
Ws6 said:
Fire is a risk with any car. However, it is far down on the list of "things that can harm me involving my vehicle". So far down the list that frankly, I don't care, ICE or EV, about the risk of fire.

As far as the physics of it, Kia battery packs are sealed very well, and inside those packs, you will find very well sealed polymer cases containing the actual lithium batteries. Salt water isn't getting to them. Tesla on the other hand has the batteries placed in foam, with the contacts accessible, inside the case. If the case leaks, whatever leaks in, has access to actual batteries. Over time...

This is why almost all of the fires after floods are Tesla, and not cars with architecture like my ev6, or the Volvo, or other similar module case within case designs.

More risky, is a fuel rail above hot headers in a wreck. But i never worried about that either to be fair.

I inherited my mother's car, which is an older Buick. I drive it and keep it for reasons completely unrelated to any mechanical aspect of the vehicle.
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Ok valid points. I don't worry about car fires either, and some car designs are better than others. My comments were on the topic at hand. I was dragged into off topic ICE vs EV fires. My point was pretty simple, floods don't cause ICE cars to burn, and the science of lithium ion batteries is the problem at hand, two facts. A better design may very well reduce the risk, but the science will always remain the same.
 
billt460 said:
I have been owning and driving ICE vehicles for the last half century plus. I'm still waiting for my first one to, "catch on fire". And I've NEVER owned, or will own an EV.

How many years have you been driving EV's? And if they're so wonderful, why do you bother keeping any ICE vehicles?
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3 Years, and 50k miles roughly, now.

Because I inherited an ICE car.
 
demarpaint said:
Ok valid points. I don't worry about car fires either, and some car designs are better than others. My comments were on the topic at hand. I was dragged into off topic ICE vs EV fires. My point was pretty simple, floods don't cause ICE cars to burn, and the science of lithium ion batteries is the problem at hand, two facts. A better design may very well reduce the risk, but the science will always remain the same.
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ICE cars have electrical systems that cause fires too.
 
billt460 said:
Another non Tesla, (Audi this time), goes up in flames inside a locked repair shop on a Sunday morning. Audi gives the same "remedy" the others do.... "Do not park the vehicle indoors unattended, and keep it at least 50 feet away from structures." Sounds comforting.

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As noted in the video...Audi. Tons of design and QC issues.
 
Ws6 said:
No, just rain. Or randomly. Easy to put out doesn't matter. The garden hose isn't getting either handled.
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LOL Let me know when you decide to go all EV. I'll let you know when I decide to drop ICE, or even have an EV/ICE mix in my fleet. I have a feeling both of us will be very old, and I will have no other options. ;)
 
Ws6 said:
Empirically speaking, their eGMP platforms are doing great. There are things that have needed ironing out, etc but they're about as good as it gets overall at present.
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I’m not saying they aren’t doing an awesome job these days. I just think at the level we see them on the roads the blanket statements that they don’t do this or that isn’t a reasonable comparison to a car company that outnumbers them by x100.

If it was me, I’d likely have one of the Hyundais over a Tesla if I bought one as my daily tomorrow. I’m still waiting it out for now for other reasons. I haven’t hit the got to have it factor with any of them yet, though we’re close.
 
demarpaint said:
LOL Let me know when you decide to go all EV. I'll let you know when I decide to drop ICE, or even have an EV/ICE mix in my fleet. I have a feeling both of us will be very old, and I will have no other options. ;)
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There may be less options of one over the other, but I don’t it will ever be 0. I don’t honestly think there will be less options, just more EVs than we currently have.

I don’t think at this rate that I’ll ever be EV only. That’s not a slight at EVs or pro ICE. They think there’s no market for a legitimate small hot hatch EV and so no one makes one. Hyundai’s SUV version isn’t it at $67k.

The hot hatch is likely to die in the ICE world for lack of sales and never become an EV. Emissions/bans aren’t going to be what kills them. No one wants small hatches, so it’s putting more cost on the fast models directly for development instead of it being the fast version of the car regular people buy. The fast ones are the only ones that sell and it’s a niche market.

They’ll be plenty of trucks and me too crossovers with tiny ICE powerplants everywhere. They’re no less appliance than a standard EV, just with more perceived convenience.
 
Torrid said:
There may be less options of one over the other, but I don’t it will ever be 0. I don’t honestly think there will be less options, just more EVs than we currently have.

I don’t think at this rate that I’ll ever be EV only. That’s not a slight at EVs or pro ICE. They think there’s no market for a legitimate small hot hatch EV and so no one makes one. Hyundai’s SUV version isn’t it at $67k.

The hot hatch is likely to die in the ICE world for lack of sales and never become an EV. Emissions/bans aren’t going to be what kills them. No one wants small hatches, so it’s putting more cost on the fast models directly for development instead of it being the fast version of the car regular people buy. The fast ones are the only ones that sell and it’s a niche market.

They’ll be plenty of trucks and me too crossovers with tiny ICE powerplants everywhere. They’re no less appliance than a standard EV, just with more perceived convenience.
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Nah.
VW makes an eGolf. It'll happen.
 
demarpaint said:
LOL Let me know when you decide to go all EV. I'll let you know when I decide to drop ICE, or even have an EV/ICE mix in my fleet. I have a feeling both of us will be very old, and I will have no other options. ;)
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I went 100% EV in 2022. I wish I didn't have an ICE vehicle, personally. I lost my mother "to get it". Maybe you missed that part.
 
I will never cut loose our beloved Tundra. So I guess going all EV ain't gonna happen for me. Having said that, I don't think I have ever been more satisfied with a car than the new M3 Highland. Except maybe my strippie '93 Toyletta 4WD PU. I hear it's well over 350K now...
 
Ws6 said:
I went 100% EV in 2022. I wish I didn't have an ICE vehicle, personally. I lost my mother "to get it". Maybe you missed that part.
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Sorry for your loss, I missed that part. I lost my mother 7 years ago this coming Wednesday, I know that pain, it sucks.
 
billt460 said:
Another non Tesla, (Audi this time), goes up in flames inside a locked repair shop on a Sunday morning. Audi gives the same "remedy" the others do.... "Do not park the vehicle indoors unattended, and keep it at least 50 feet away from structures." Sounds comforting.

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Battery fire? Perhaps not. The front burned, the traction battery did not. The battery is under the car, not in front. Try again.
 
Saw this today. Fire right under the gas tank. Looked fun. I was on my way elsewhere, so didn't follow them to see how it played out.
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