Honda (Fit?) - Tiny Drum Brakes

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I have this neighbor, Bob. Super nice guy, retired train guy. He's 80 and likes to travel. He bought this tiny Honda that gets like 50 MPG and drives it to Nebraska to visit his brother. Since he makes trips like this he needs to keep the car in tip top shape. Few months ago we put a front end in it. Yesterday he called and asked for help with the rear brakes. I show up with my old Snap On drum tool. It's a spring lever on one end and that rotator thing on the other. I also had the cup tool for squashing the round springs that locate the shoes to the backing plate. Here's the fun part... My tools were way too big for the tiny parts. The springs wouldn't fit around the tool to be guided into the hole.
We went to HF and got the plier for stretching the springs but it was also too big to work inside the shoes. I ended up removing everything he had already done and preassembling it off the car and then working it in and reconnecting the bottom spring. And those springs on the shoe locating pins were a horror show. They're not the old school round spring, they're a spring clip that we fought with and finally got back in. I have no idea how he got them in earlier by himself. Anyone know of anything that works on this stuff? I gotta do the other side today. Probably just do what I did yesterday.
 
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Is it a Honda Fit? I used needle nose pliers and thin screwdrivers to remove and replace the springs.
Some people remove the hub so they can assemble everything without the hub in the way.
I didn't take the hubs off. Needle nose will push in and twist the retaining clips if you hold the back nailhead with a finger. It's a pain, but you can put the bottom spring on before mounting the new shoes.
There are some DIYs on Youtube.
 
It would help if you could identify the specific year, model and trim level of the Honda vehicle being discussed. I work on a lot of Hondas and use needle nose pliers to remove and install the u-shaped spring clips on the retention pins. As for the tiny, difficult to stretch brake shoe springs, I purchased this Australian PBT Spring Tool from eBay specifically for working on Honda drum brakes.
 
I think it’s a Fit. Tiny little car. I’ll note the model and year when I’m there later. I’ll bring my Snap on needle nose pliers. Bob only has long reach Pittsburgh. Couldn’t grip those springs with those.
I thought about taking the hub off.
 
It would help if you could identify the specific year, model and trim level of the Honda vehicle being discussed. I work on a lot of Hondas and use needle nose pliers to remove and install the u-shaped spring clips on the retention pins. As for the tiny, difficult to stretch brake shoe springs, I purchased this Australian PBT Spring Tool from eBay specifically for working on Honda drum brakes.
Everybody should have one. I actually bought a second after I tweaked the small tines of the forked piece -- that was 99% user error but when you're soooo close with a spring even the best mekaniks will try to bend the rules of physics
 
Needle nose vise grips for the return spring, or just pre-assemble them off the car. But be very careful about how you stretch the shoe assembly over the wheel cylinder or else you'll pop up a wheel cylinder piston out.
 
I only ever use the "wrong" tools so I don't know if I'd have noticed a difference, LOL.

Think the worst I worked on was the parking brake that lived inside the rotor hat of a 97 Camry. Whatever it was, the nails were bent twice. They had scoliosis!
 
Ok. Few details. Bob is 73 not 80.
The car is a 2010 Fit.
He got the driver side all together today by doing it off the car like I did yesterday and slipping it on. He just couldn’t get the spring clips on the locating pins. I brought my bada$$ Icon needle noses and got them on in ten minutes.
Thanks for the replies.
 
My dad typically just use a needle nose for those jobs on the Mazda2 and 90s Corolla.

Crazy to even hear about a car with drum brakes any more.

It is an affordable tiny car. What do you expect to be in the rear brake? Mazda 2 even only has brake wear "spring" on only one side of the front inner brake pad, either left side or right side.
 
Inside the rotor hat GM parking brakes are a PITA also IMO.
Actually my old '02 used the weird one-piece shoe that just "flexes" open. Easy -- if you ignore the fact it didn't hardly work as a parking brake.

Even GM knew it and briefly returned to full-on rear drum brakes in the GMT800 because they realized they couldn't seem to manage to make a parking brake work with rear discs :rolleyes:
 
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