Hispanics bring a new wrinkle to the illegal weapon debate

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Police See Surge In Gang Attacks Using Machetes

BOSTON -- Police say they are seeing a surge in the number of gang-related attacks involving machetes, the huge knives that are a ubiquitous tool in rural Latin America, with blades as thick as an axe and nearly as long as a sword.

The troubling trend has led some departments to crack down on machetes, and not just in urban areas. Some suburban communities have also enacted new laws to ban the knives.

Last month, during a sweep of gang members in Boston, Lynn, Revere, Chelsea, Everett and Somerville, police seized not just machetes, but more exotic weapons, including Chinese throwing stars and a Japanese metal chain whip.

But machetes, which can be easily obtained at garden stores or over the Internet, are by far the most popular of the alternative weapons.

The surge in machete attacks has gained less attention than recent gun-related homicides in Boston parks, despite a spate of attacks that have left at least four Massachusetts men hospitalized this spring and summer from machete wounds.

"It seems to be that machetes are the weapon of choice," Detective Brian Kyes, a spokesman for the Chelsea Police, told The Boston Globe. "In the past couple of years, we've confiscated at least 50 machetes that have been used in crimes in the city."

Some Hispanic community leaders say the use of machetes in crime has tarnished the image of a useful tool used to cut sugarcane or clear underbrush.

"For people in El Salvador, the machete is not looked at as a weapon," said Luis Morales, who grew up in El Salvador. He is now the pastor at the Vida Real Evangelical Center in Somerville.

Members of Boston's Hispanic community often hang machetes on living room walls as a reminder of home or gardening.

Some say they are dismayed that the machete is increasing being seen a weapon.

"What about baseball bats? They are also used in gang-related attacks. Even a shoe can be considered a weapon if someone uses it to hit someone else," Morales said. (AP)
 
Only the military and police should have assault bats. If it saves one child it is worthwhile to ban them. So what if there's no more so-called "baseball games", that's a small price to pay to save just one child. These assault bats were obviously designed to whack people upside the head efficiently. Just look at that conspicuously protruding grip! Besides, if you want to "play baseball", just join the police or military.
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Some Hispanic community leaders say the use of machetes in crime has tarnished the image of a useful tool used to cut sugarcane or clear underbrush.

Where are you gonna find sugar cane in Boston?

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Members of Boston's Hispanic community often hang machetes on living room walls as a reminder of home or gardening.

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Guess it's time to mount my weedeater over the mantle.

Doesn't matter though, a .45 APC handles a machete weilder nicely. In fact that's what it was designed for...
 
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Doesn't matter though, a .45 APC handles a machete weilder nicely. In fact that's what it was designed for...

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Exactly, that's why I got rid of my 9mm. What's everyone think of the Kimber? Anyway, this is a tough one. These communities need to learn how to seperate themselves from the criminals amongst them. I understand that this is a difficult issue, but there has got to be a way to allow the punks to kill themselves while reducing civilian casualties.
 
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Members of Boston's Hispanic community often hang machetes on living room walls as a reminder of home or gardening.

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Guess it's time to mount my weedeater over the mantle.

How is that the stupidest thing you ever heard? Are you saying you have no contact with other culture and customs and hence that makes it stupid?

I totally respect such a tradition.

Hence it is stupid to hang a ceremonial sword, long-gun, or coat of arms up too correct?

Either rephrase or substatiate the stupidity there?

Other than that them hanging the macghete reminds them of the humble beginnings they lived before they emmigrated to this great country.

Likewise they see uneducated and untraveled Americans (ie rednecks that need to get out more) as stupid too for not taking the time or effort to understand other peoples of this world.
 
We have our own culture here in this country.

I realize that may be news to some people (like those who use terms like "rednecks").

I have to question what is so great about a culture that it created a country that people want to leave, if you want to get into that discussion.
 
Also, here in Northern VA an MS-13 gang member used a machete to chop off a 16-year-old kid's hand.

I guess that's another part of their culture that we have to accept, lest we be "rednecks".
 
I like the French system on "weapons".

Everything isn't a weapon, until you use it as one.

An umbrella, baseball bat, brick etc are just objects, until someone uses it as a weapon, whereupon it becomes one, and is treated as such when you are tried.

Removing everything from the 99.999% of law abiding users "just in case" is ridiculous.
 
I think in this case the weapons users need to be deported.

That's the real problem.

They did a gang enforcement sweep in Northern VA last summer.

50 felony arrests, 150 misdemeanor arrests, 50 of all of those were referred to the INS for being in violation of immigration law.

Enforce immigration law and 1/4 of the gang problem goes away. How amazing is THAT?
 
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We have our own culture here in this country.

Oh really? ..and what culture is that?

Sorry pal ..that's the ONE element of this nation that makes people flock to these shores ...there's (cultural) room for everyone. Within two generations they are typically swept into the mainstream ...but they form it as much as they are reformed.

Btw- ..the rule of the white man is coming to an end, my friend. In 20-25 years ..this will still be America ..but I don't know if it will be a caucasian America.
 
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Oh really? ..and what culture is that?

The culture that you live in. You are blind to it because you live in it, but rest assured, it exists.

Sorry pal ..that's the ONE element of this nation that makes people flock to these shores ...there's (cultural) room for everyone.

That's part of it. Economic freedom and the fact that, as one example, you can run your mouth off about our elected officials without being shot or losing appendages might be another.

this will still be America

Is America just a place to you, or an idea and a concept which forms our laws, rights and responsibilities? If the latter, is not that the culture you think we don't have?

Frankly, I have my doubts that this will still be America (the concept), given the idea that we have no culture here. Oh yes, America (the place) will still be here, but given that culture and government go hand-in-hand, I expect drastic changes to our government which are not in keeping with America, the concept.
 
Brian,

This "culture" is under constant dynamic change. It always has been. We were primary a British Colony in our fundamental foundations. Did not the French, German, Italian, Swedes, Dutch, Russians ..all bring something of their culture along with them. Ever see the God Father? How "American" was the Don when he first hit the states?

Somehow ...our mostly white resident population doesn't mind the culutral contributions by white populations. Much like during the Japanese car invsion ..we didn't seem to mind BMW or MB. We didn't mind caucasion imports ...just Asian. Now the influx of Asian and Latino influence is somehow different than the low life Irish, Brits, Russians, Scott, etc.

Do your origins trace back to some noted nobility or are they "grafted in heraldry"??

Rock and Roll? Wouldn't exist without our resident oppressed minority ....black Americans.

Me? I come from the finest of British, French, and Scottish peasentry. On my mother's side (maternal branch) you can go back to the French Indian war ...on my father's ..only to around 1880.

Funny how the guy who won the "jumping car" contest appeared to be quite caucasion. Fast and Furious? I never saw a whiteman make a Rice Rocket as his speed machine of choice ...but now I see whites have appeared to adopted the trend after about 25 years of Latinos leading the way with their, formerly hilarious, "low riders".

Yes, we have a culture, Brian. One that is far more "strong" than any other. One that proves that with our differences ...there are certain strengths. Each brings something more to the mix than was there before. We don't have "one dimension" to our way of viewing life.

This disposition also tends to cause many problems for us internationally. We're additive. Inspite of what you hear ...once touched by our cultural samplings (music, movies, media) ..they are forever tainted. How are the Mullahs and sheiks going to keep their women in burkas ..once they've seen Cosmo????

That's what makes this country great, Brian. I don't care if you're Arab, Jew, Caucasian, East Asian, South Asian ...there's room for you to integrate into the mix. What more can you ask out a nation?
 
On gang violence, the story about how Boston got a handle on its gang problem by the latter 1990s is a good one. It was featured on a PBS show, and a summary is available at the link below. Some key items that I recall were:

A gang shooting at a church funeral for a gang member made the community realize that they had to do something.

They found out that youths besides gang members were arming themselves in an effort to protect themselves, meaning that the community had failed it's members in a very basic way.

Community members started working with law enforcement and Harvard.

They determined that a small number of gang members were responible for most of the violence, and they were targeted.

Firearms were making their way into Boston from the south. Trafficers were targeted.

Gang members with records who committed crimes, especially with firearms, were prosecuted on federal charges when possible. They advertised across the community that one gang member was sent up for years for possessing one bullet.

In 1996 I think that they had zero juvenile homicides.


http://www.bostonstrategy.com/downloads/BS_StoryPruitt.pdf
 
I carry a 12in machete in my truck in the event that I need to venture into or clear some berry bushes, which are all over this area. Still, if something is being used often in crimes it will tend to get controlled in some way.

From 1910 to 1970 the average rate that knives were used as murder weapons in the US was 1.2 per 100k, while for firearms it was 4.0 per 100k. Consider that perhaps half or a bit less of households had firearms and that almost all households have knives, you can estimate that firearms are more lethal than knives by almost a factor of 8 [lots of assumptions made]. The same ratio pretty much holds today.

Up thru the early 1930s in this country you could mail order a Thompson submachinegun, no questions asked. People were doing stupid things with them so they got controlled. What do you think the homicide rates would be if pretty much any weapon could be purchased, no questions asked ? How about Stingers ? If you don't think that any weapon should be able to be purchased no questions asked then you're advocating gun control, and you're in good company as almost everyone is supports gun control.
 
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Only the military and police should have assault bats. If it saves one child it is worthwhile to ban them. So what if there's no more so-called "baseball games", that's a small price to pay to save just one child. These assault bats were obviously designed to whack people upside the head efficiently. Just look at that conspicuously protruding grip! Besides, if you want to "play baseball", just join the police or military.
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Where is Sarah Brady when you need her?
 
A few years ago I saw a raw satellite feed of the Brady's. She is a repulsive humanbeing and utterly discusted with her husbands when she thinks the cameras are off, but once they are on she acts like she is still totally in love.
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Outrun;

While the weedwhacker comment was tongue in cheek, what I find stupid about it was that someone was obviously using that 'heritage' angle to deflect people's attention from the fact that people are using the machetes as weapons. What do machetes hanging on walls have to do with the ones that are being used in violence? Typical for people to float out a red herring like that to divert attention from the fact that a new weapon is in vogue.

If the actual machete had sentimental value, or if you actually used a machete for years to work the sugar can fields I can see it...but to run out and get one so you can put it on the wall to 'remind you of home' or proclaim a heritage that you didn't personally participate in is silly IMO. So my objection is not to the particular culture, but to people 'donning' a culture when convenient to them.
 
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What's everyone think of the Kimber?
they are top of the line and well worth the little extra $$$ they typically go for.
Their pro-carry is the same as a full size 1911 but with a 4" barrel. Very comfortable to shoot, and accurate. I have an all stainless version of the pro-carry, which I went to their factory for in Yonkers NY years ago to have done up custom. A little heavy to carry but I wanted a durable piece, they have lighter pro-carry models. I've put over 4000 rnds through it with all kinds of cheap ammo, never a problem.
 
Okay all this is old news in many ways.

There are enough societal studies that show that in place where guns were out right banned or taken the only thing that happened were that stabbings increased.

Knives and Guns are not the problem. It is the irresponsible people that wield them which are.

How many things are you going to ban before you realize that its evil man that need to banned not the hapless weapon.

I do not care if you own a machete or a 50 cal rifle. As long as your law abiding and have enough safety and responsibility to handle it all the power to you.

Some of these weapon laws are for utupia dreamers, you can not outlaw evil. Dream on.
 
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