High mileage 98 Ford CV

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Hello to all. I bought a new Crown Vic back in 1998. First NEW car, but was not at all new to vehicle maintenance. I took and do take very good care of it even today, although I've let the oil change intervals stretch out to 5000 mi. Always did 3000 mi oil changes. Car has high miles approximately 231000. Still runs like new, pulls hard, and cost me very very little in maintenance. I have noticed early on in its history that it liked to use more oil on the freeway than it does putting around the city. The last 2 years or so the oil consumption has gone up considerably. It uses 1 qt per 1000 miles. Not terrible for such high mileage, right?

What troubles me is I really don't know where the consumption happens. It does leave a tiny drop wherever I do park it. Often times I check when I turn the motor over to see a blue cloud of smoke at the tailpipes, - never seen any. When I change the spark plugs and inspect the old ones they always look clean and never have any oil fouling. If you were to look under the oil cap, the motor is pristine and clean. Any thoughts?

FWIW, I've never had any oil brand loyalty. I'd go to Wal Mart, find the best deal on a 5 qt jug, be it Castrol, Quaker State, Pennzoil, SuperTech, or what have you.
 
Sounds like bad valve stem seals. Clean or replace the PCV valve. If its still bad switch up to a Pennzoil High Mileage 5w30 or Valvoline MaxLife.

You could possible do a AutoRX or Kreen liquid in the crankcase
 
Been very diligent on keeping the PCV valve clean. I spray it down once a year.

Forgot to mention, just started to use SuperTech High Mileage 5w30 oil. About how long would one notice a change for the better?
 
Originally Posted By: randomhero439


You could possible do a AutoRX or Kreen liquid in the crankcase



Please explain why?
 
It's not unusual to have a valve cover gasket leak on these engines. The oil pools on top of the engine under the intake manifold where you can't see it unless you remove either the intake or the alternator. At highway speed some of the oil will blow off the top of the puddle and disperse underneath the car. A bit clings here and there allowing for the drop or two that you have seen.

As far as goes valve stem seals, with the engine warm let it idle for a few minutes in pee, then give it a good rev and look for smoke at that time. If you get a little blue cloud, there you go. You just learned not to let your car idle in pee.
 
Are you familiar with a Ford 4.6? There is a noticeable space between the motor and intake manifold. No signs of oil. Valve cover gaskets show no signs of leakage either.
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I wouldn't use any cleaners. Given you're maintenance history, it's plenty clean.

I'd try to find the leak and fit it, then determine how much you're actually consuming. Don't discount how much oil you can lose even if you're seeing a small drip. It can coat the underside of the car and blow away while driving. Once you get a handle on "leaking vs. consuming", then you can make a determination if you want to start doing stuff like valve stem seals. Keep in mind that the seal swell agents in High Mileage oils typically don't work with the material used for valve stem seals, so if oil is getting past them, they just have to be replaced.
 
Originally Posted By: JOD
Keep in mind that the seal swell agents in High Mileage oils typically don't work with the material used for valve stem seals, so if oil is getting past them, they just have to be replaced.


Wouldn't there be fouled Spark Plugs as evidence of bad valve stem seals?
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Our Crown Vic currently has 249,xxx miles.Most of our oil useage,is from a small leak as well.Considering its age,we plan on retiring the car in a year or so.We've used Trop Artic,Mobil Clean 5000,and now presently Havoline oil.We usually have to add a quart every 1000 miles,and considering its age,we're not too worried about it.We've replaced the PCV valve and no change in consumption.

Just our experience with the CV. It runs excellent,we drive it everywhere
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OK. so I'm not alone! LOL!
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So, do you think your car's consumption is primarily due to a slow drip?
 
Originally Posted By: DinoOil
Are you familiar with a Ford 4.6? There is a noticeable space between the motor and intake manifold. No signs of oil. Valve cover gaskets show no signs of leakage either.
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Familiar enough to know you can't easily see the back of that space, yes. Familiar enough to know that if you pop the belt off and remove two bolts and loosen two more you can get the alternator out of the way and see that space, also yes. Familiar enough to know exactly where your little bit of lost oil is going, no.
 
Originally Posted By: DinoOil
OK. so I'm not alone! LOL!
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So, do you think your car's consumption is primarily due to a slow drip?


Most likely,since the underneath of the car,has oil on sway bar,etc. If we planned on keeping the car for a longer period of time,i'd troubleshoot the leak and fix it,but it's not worth the trouble at this point in time.
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If we planned on keeping the car for a longer period of time,i'd troubleshoot the leak and fix it,but it's not worth the trouble at this point in time.
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Well, I can fully understand where you are coming from. I (hopefully)plan on keeping mine for another 2 years. I too wouldn't want to spend the money and the effort to remedy something like this. I just dislike adding oil every 1000 miles. Nothing lasts forever, right?
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Originally Posted By: DinoOil

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If we planned on keeping the car for a longer period of time,i'd troubleshoot the leak and fix it,but it's not worth the trouble at this point in time.
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Well, I can fully understand where you are coming from. I (hopefully)plan on keeping mine for another 2 years. I too wouldn't want to spend the money and the effort to remedy something like this. I just dislike adding oil every 1000 miles. Nothing lasts forever, right?
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Nothing lasts forever and the body of this car will rust off the frame long before the engine quits running.
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Originally Posted By: DinoOil
Originally Posted By: JOD
Keep in mind that the seal swell agents in High Mileage oils typically don't work with the material used for valve stem seals, so if oil is getting past them, they just have to be replaced.


Wouldn't there be fouled Spark Plugs as evidence of bad valve stem seals?
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not if its leaking past the exhaust side. Goes right into the exhaust.
 
It's well on its way to doing just that! Front fenders rotting away, and you can almost hear it doing it. lol!
 
Replaced the PCV valve in my '95 Grand Marquis (153,000 miles) - oil consumption was reduced signinficantly. Give it a try.
 
Originally Posted By: z917990
Replaced the PCV valve in my '95 Grand Marquis (153,000 miles) - oil consumption was reduced signinficantly. Give it a try.


Was it gunked up when you inspected it? Not free to rattle? I've always judged mine to be working properly since it rattled free. Am I wrong to assume this?
 
Originally Posted By: JOD
Keep in mind that the seal swell agents in High Mileage oils typically don't work with the material used for valve stem seals, so if oil is getting past them, they just have to be replaced.


Agreed High Mileage oils had almost no effect on my '92 & '93 Grand Marquis, the '92 was swilling a quart in 600-800mi...

Originally Posted By: DinoOil


Wouldn't there be fouled Spark Plugs as evidence of bad valve stem seals?
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Not unless it's using significantly more oil than 1K per quart, my '92 carboned the plugs, but never had sign of oil wetness...
 
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