high flow air filter

[racer12306]

right now i have a k&n air filter in my 04 neon. i have heard that they arent the best at filter but they are ok. is there an air filter that flows like a k&n does but filters better? i really feel that my neon needs a high flow filter. it does help a lot with throttle response. there is a big difference between the stock paper filter and k&n.

 

[md_lucky_13]

The new AEM Dryflow is what I'm saving for, personally.

You may consider looking into it as another option.

There are 2 concerns with the K&N that I have heard.

1: they don't filter as well as paper
2: the oil gets on sensors and causes nightmares

No one complains about the flow rates, as they do flow very well.

I myself built a system with a much larger paper filter for my pickup.. Make up the difference in surface area. I use a Fram 8038, but once again.. I will be switching to an AEM Dryflow in the future.

 

[T-Keith]

In my opinion, there are two reasons people feel an increase in power when switching air filters.

1. They are paying attention more, or actually push the gas down harder. Not many people actually go to WOT enough to see a difference if there was one.
2. They are replacing a dirty filter with a clean one. Of course you'll see an increase.

If you truly think you need more flow, upgrade to a larger paper filter.

 

[ALS]

With the K&N all I saw in performance was more induction noise. Most perceive the increase in noise as an increase in power.

 

[Mike_dup1]

I used these supposedly high flow filters many times over many years and I have yet to notice any power improvement and find any comments to that effect highly dubious. I have to agree with ALS, most hear the increased noise and equate that with power. With the paper, no matter how much they pushed the pedal, no noise but with the high flow, push the pedal, more noise and perceived power.

There is only so much air that the engine can use and that is contraol by the mass air flow sensor (MAS) and the gas pedal.

I was in a friends shop this AM (AC Delco repair center) to pick up some parts for a friend. On the counter was this panel air filter that was almost black and as dirty as anything I had ever seen. He saw me looking at it and said, "nice isn't it?" They took that out of a customer car last week, she had nearly 100,000 miles on a older Jimmy and thats was the first time it was ever in for sevice. I suppose the new ac delco made it seem like she had more power. Her only complaint was poor gas mileage.

 

[racer12306]

then what would explain the ability of the car to take the hills better?

 

[robbobster]

Any supposed airflow advantages would be at elevated engine RPM, there would be no significant benefit at lower rpm because airflow isn't the bottlenect at low engine speeds.

I've seen many dyno pulls with air intakes (a step beyond just a panel filter). If there was a measurable increase in hp (and typically there is very little), it is at the high-end of the rpm/operating range.

$0.02

 

[racer12306]

5th gear at 55 mph is about 2500 rpm

 

[robbobster]

2500rpm is too low to notice a difference IMHO.

Perhaps the original filter was clogged, or theres is something else, that can explain your performance on hills...?

 

[racer12306]

the original filter only had about 4000 miles on it. i put the k&n in when the car was pretty new.

 

[racer12306]

i probably wouldnt have noticed the increase if i didnt have to drive up a couple of hills. my previous commute had a couple of hills in it. with the paper filter i had to down shift to get up the hill and not lose a lot of speed, but with the k&n i didnt have to downshift to get up the hill as long as i was above 55 mph or so, with the paper it was all the time. i put the k&n in very early in the cars life and the paper wasnt even close to dirty. i still have it for when i clean the k&n.

how much is the aem dryflow air filter?