Hertz to sell used Teslas at Fire Sale Prices

EVs are not going to be politically ousted or furthered. Enough people have gotten on board and enough big companies have provided infrastructure. The shift is underway.
New car buyers want them. I was at my Lexus dealer on Sunday; the Sales Manager told me when Lexus makes a 300+ mile range SUV they will take over their market. Tesla has eaten their lunch, even though the Lexi are freakin' gorgeous, especially inside.

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They have been running them as well as Bolts through the Baltimore auction for a few weeks now. Only a few sell each time. Next week there is,

17 145 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A X 18,076 SILVER 1G1FY6S04P4150692 HT
17 157 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A X 11,731 GRAY 1G1FY6S0XP4143908 HT
17 160 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A X 34,313 GRAY 1G1FY6S05P4150605 HT
17 166 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A Electric/Automatic X 26,947 WHITE 1G1FY6S09P4144337 HT
17 168 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A X 30,863 GRAY 1G1FY6S0XP4168680 HT
17 170 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A X 15,257 GRAY 1G1FY6S06P4152993 HT
17 172 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A X 10,107 WHITE 1G1FY6S07P4168619 HT
17 177 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EUV FWD 4DR LT E/A X 23,761 SILVER 1G1FY6S01P4137415 HT
17 162 2023 CHEVROLET BOLT EV 5DR WGN 1LT STATIO E/A X 6,443 BLACK 1G1FW6S06P4163160 HT

17 137 2023 TESLA MODEL 3 RWD E/A X 25,255 BLUE 5YJ3E1EA2PF438133 SM
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17 188 2023 TESLA MODEL 3 RWD E/A X 40,065 BLACK 5YJ3E1EAXPF433746 PR
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17 167 2022 TESLA MODEL 3 RWD E/A X 82,067 BLUE 5YJ3E1EA4NF190271 PR
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How does someone put 164,000 miles on a 2 year old rental?
 
There is a big risk to a nation's sovereignty, when the key seller of manufacturing items to that nation come from a nation that is building five coal powered electric generating plants per week.

Some have wondered if this entire green movement is actually a strategic campaign from massive adversary to the free world and the western way of life.
 
How does someone put 164,000 miles on a 2 year old rental?

Tesla had a deal with Hertz and Uber, Uber drivers could rent a Tesla to drive for Uber. I can imagine those cars have a lot of hard miles on them.
 
EVs are not going to be politically ousted or furthered. Enough people have gotten on board and enough big companies have provided infrastructure. The shift is underway.
Politically maybe not but when people have the choice instead of being threatened to penalized or punished by excess fuel prices and taxation, restrictions where you drive and so on ev sales will drop off. The majority of people don't want them.
 
Disagree. I have not seen any study showing poor battery life, at least for Teslas. The early Leaf, was, of course, a disaster.
Send all the Leafs my way! 🤪

There are a TON of them up here, more 1st gen than newer. I realize they’re no good in hot or cold environments but where I am the weather is moderate and the commutes are short.

I’m planning to buy a 2011 Leaf next week with about 60k miles and 9 bars left on the battery. This means it’s at about 65% capacity. Range is around 56 miles. This is way more than enough for everything we do with our 2nd car. I might occasionally take it to work in Vancouver - the condo I stay at has Level 2 chargers and the parking garage downtown has dozens of them too.

I’m selling a 2010 Frontier, as it costs way too much to operate and we no longer need a truck. There will be funds left over.

I know different folks on this site would be horrified at buying a low range Leaf but it’s perfect for our location and use case. Our other vehicle, BTW, is a 2005 CRV with 5 speed manual and we have no plans to stop using that.
 
New car buyers want them. I was at my Lexus dealer on Sunday; the Sales Manager told me when Lexus makes a 300+ mile range SUV they will take over their market. Tesla has eaten their lunch, even though the Lexi are freakin' gorgeous, especially inside.

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What is that, a 2010 model? Yuck.
This is a proper luxury car in 2024.
Toyota's issue is that they're super dated. Always 2 gens behind. People used to tolerate it because at least they were reliable. That, too, has become part of their past.
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Ps. Thats just a C Class.
 
Politically maybe not but when people have the choice instead of being threatened to penalized or punished by excess fuel prices and taxation, restrictions where you drive and so on ev sales will drop off. The majority of people don't want them.
Lol, used to it was fuel prices forcing us to go kill people. Now its fuel prices forcing EV adoption. Pretty soon people will argue they're trying to limit breeding with fuel prices.
 
There is a big risk to a nation's sovereignty, when the key seller of manufacturing items to that nation come from a nation that is building five coal powered electric generating plants per week.

Some have wondered if this entire green movement is actually a strategic campaign from massive adversary to the free world and the western way of life.
Canada keeps talking about banning the export of coal but it never happens and every time I go to Vancouver there are many long, fully loaded coal trains headed directly to the port, where the ships take it to Asia (including 10.5 million tons to China last year).
I guess I’m off topic here but it’s like the export of Asbestos and how it was allowed to continue until fairly recently. The Canadian government can talk all they want about being green but it rings hollow when you simply export the “bad” product for someone else to burn.
 
Canada keeps talking about banning the export of coal but it never happens and every time I go to Vancouver there are many long, fully loaded coal trains headed directly to the port, where the ships take it to Asia (including 10.5 million tons to China last year).
I guess I’m off topic here but it’s like the export of Asbestos and how it was allowed to continue until fairly recently. The Canadian government can talk all they want about being green but it rings hollow when you simply export the “bad” product for someone else to burn.
Australia is equally guilty, their considerable domestic gas and coal production, which is many times more than domestic consumption, is all sold to Asia.

It's a whole lot of virtue signalling, ridiculous when you consider that this charade requires one setting aside the fact that we live in a fishbowl, so moving the pollution "over there" where you can't see it, doesn't improve things. In fact, with China's environmental regulations, one could argue that it's considerably worse.

To put some historical context on the present situation:
Imagine during the Cold War, the US and its allies started out-sourcing everything to the Soviet Union. Its allies exported massive amounts of resources to the Soviets, it was having the Soviets produce stuff for the military, intelligence, comms. US companies with military contracts exported their production there. Critical communication infrastructure was being designed and manufactured by Soviet firms. 99% of appliances and home electronics were manufactured by the Soviets.

Do you think that it would have still fallen, given this massive windfall?

We are being told the same things today about China as we were about the Soviet Union then. The difference is in our actions. While we actively worked to economically decimate a perceived threat to democracy and the Western way of life then, we are literally funding it now, and somehow expecting the same result? This is self-sabotage on a biblical scale, this is stupidity manifest.
 
FYI -
Chinese Automobiles have now overtaken USA manufacturers in sales for the first time in history for the year 2023
Expect that to continue forever, much like electronics and every almost other product the world purchases.
 
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Australia is equally guilty, their considerable domestic gas and coal production, which is many times more than domestic consumption, is all sold to Asia.

It's a whole lot of virtue signalling, ridiculous when you consider that this charade requires one setting aside the fact that we live in a fishbowl, so moving the pollution "over there" where you can't see it, doesn't improve things. In fact, with China's environmental regulations, one could argue that it's considerably worse.

To put some historical context on the present situation:
Imagine during the Cold War, the US and its allies started out-sourcing everything to the Soviet Union. Its allies exported massive amounts of resources to the Soviets, it was having the Soviets produce stuff for the military, intelligence, comms. US companies with military contracts exported their production there. Critical communication infrastructure was being designed and manufactured by Soviet firms. 99% of appliances and home electronics were manufactured by the Soviets.

Do you think that it would have still fallen, given this massive windfall?

We are being told the same things today about China as we were about the Soviet Union then. The difference is in our actions. While we actively worked to economically decimate a perceived threat to democracy and the Western way of life then, we are literally funding it now, and somehow expecting the same result? This is self-sabotage on a biblical scale, this is stupidity manifest.
Bang! You just blew it up! An excellent example.
 
FYI -
Chinese Automobiles have now overtaken USA manufacturers in sales for the first time in history for the year 2023
Expect that to continue forever, much like electronics and every almost other product the world purchases.
So? I haven't seen a single one on the road here yet. What about pickups? Wouldn't it be the reverse of that statement?
 
Australia is equally guilty, their considerable domestic gas and coal production, which is many times more than domestic consumption, is all sold to Asia.

It's a whole lot of virtue signalling, ridiculous when you consider that this charade requires one setting aside the fact that we live in a fishbowl, so moving the pollution "over there" where you can't see it, doesn't improve things. In fact, with China's environmental regulations, one could argue that it's considerably worse.

To put some historical context on the present situation:
Imagine during the Cold War, the US and its allies started out-sourcing everything to the Soviet Union. Its allies exported massive amounts of resources to the Soviets, it was having the Soviets produce stuff for the military, intelligence, comms. US companies with military contracts exported their production there. Critical communication infrastructure was being designed and manufactured by Soviet firms. 99% of appliances and home electronics were manufactured by the Soviets.

Do you think that it would have still fallen, given this massive windfall?

We are being told the same things today about China as we were about the Soviet Union then. The difference is in our actions. While we actively worked to economically decimate a perceived threat to democracy and the Western way of life then, we are literally funding it now, and somehow expecting the same result? This is self-sabotage on a biblical scale, this is stupidity manifest.
On that note, today most effective Russian targeting vehicles are equipped with THALES targeting systems.
 
I'm guessing hertz bought the smaller battery cars. The Tesla fast chargers usually hit 100kw, most people usually don't run the car down till it's about to die before hitting a charger and most people don't try to fully charge the car as going from 80% to 99% takes longer than going from 20% to 80%. The problem is having to hit a charger every about every hundred miles or slowing way down. Both options suck.
Comment on this, which is fundamental issue.
Most people who argue that there is not a problem with range and charging are oblivious to a problem and/or really don’t go with a car outside their urban living space.
If someone wants to check how bad this is, drive between Las Vegas and Los Angeles. I15 is known in that area for ridiculous traffic, desert, rattlesnakes, and drivers that would not own DL in any country that takes driving bit more serious.
I travel that road often. It is absolute s..show with EV’s.
First problem is terrain. There is big gain in elevation, than drop, which usually means slow traffic as californians do have issues navigating curves. It is filled with slow moving EV’s, regardless of brand.
Then, charging. First, there isn’t enough. Second, slow charging means one vehicle occupies one spot for , let’s say 20min, to be generous. But, that creates backlog. I see this all the time when I stop at gas stations that have superchargers, line of Tesla’s waiting to get to spot in 115 or more degrees.
Grocery getting is one thing. Actual driving, which A LOT of Americans do in the summer, is another.
That is why any type of regulation around this is problematic. It is problematic because when you take away from people something or make them do something they don’t like, that feels personal. That situation is fertile grounds for lowest scum in politics to abuse the situation.
Peak at the EU might give you a hint how that looks, particularly former East Germany.
 
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