Help with a 'dying' (possibly) transmission

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Sep 8, 2005
Messages
16,382
Location
Canada
2003 Mazda Tribute, 3.0L V-6, CD4E 4-speed auto trans with 167,000 miles.

Trying to figure out if my trans is dying, or if it is something else.

In the last couple of months, when my car is at highway speeds with the TC locked on, it has trouble dropping into a lower gear. Started with a hesitation, and then hard drop into gear, but now when you go up a hill and the engine needs to shift, it shudders and bogs very roughly, and I actually have to push hard on the gas to get it to drop down.

Recently, it has gotten worse, so that when I go to pass hard, even if I floor it, the car will not drop down - it just drops a gear, 'locks' at about 3500-4000rpm, and shakes and shudders and wont really go faster, so hard passes have become a real issue. Also, the truck is having problems starting from a stop - sometimes, you accelerate to go, and you get that same shuddering/bogging behaviour.

So, in reading about this on the Escape forum, it sounds like the TC is dying, basically the trans is failing. But, if that were the case, wouldn't I 'see it' in the fluid? Wouldn't the fluid become black and burnt from all the slipping?

I just went on a long-ish 500-mile RT that was almost all hills, and I hammered it hard on these hills, tranny shuudering, shaking like never before. I check the fluid after this, and it is as clear as a bell - light pinkish red, no grit/sediment at all, and not even slightly dark. fluid was partially changed probably over 15k ago.

I was talking to a customer at the store I work at, because he is having the exact same issue, and he's been told its a problem with the coils - they are mis-firing, and he needs to replace them. He's had a CEL flash occasionally, but not stay on; but he's been told that's what it is.

I've had NO CEL's or warning lights flash...not a bit. He says there is still a problem, and the tranny has nothing to do with it. I'm not convinced. I'm going to change the trany fluid in a few days and put some Lucas tranny fix in it, because I have heard that is very good at stopping slip. But I still thought the fluid would show signs of stress.

Sorry for long post, but....thoughts?
 
What transmission fluid are you running? My GF's Escape had hard & hesitant shifting whenever I used any brand fluid other than Valvoline MaxLife. Even the Motorcraft stuff wouldn't help. I also added a can of Seafoam Transtune and it shifts like butter now. If you were having misfire issues, a CEL would have popped up, especially with the way you describe the symptoms. You could still trying scanning your system with an OBD-II scanner to see if any codes are pending. GL.
 
Are you sure the correct fluid was used in the last service?

Also I would never add Lucas products to my vehicles and strongly recommend you don't either.
 
I agree with your buddy who says coils.

My ex had an issue with her car that produced similar (but not as severe) symptoms and it turned out to be a bad coil on cylinder #3. Never lit the CEL.
 
3.0 Duratech?? I have replaced a coil on mine. But it did throw a CEL for misfire. I replaced the coil for the cylinder misfiring and it ran smooth as usual after.
 
I'm bad with times/dates, so bear with me...

I bought it with 106k miles, trans fluid was clear and pink...after about 1.5 years, I had it into my work for a tranny drain and fill, and they used a Wynn's universal tranny fluid.

Started shifting a bit bad after that, so since then I've done two 4L drain and fills with the correct Mercon, trans has shifted better since, so fluid in it is mostly the correct Mercon-spec stuff.

No misfires at idle, BUT I know it does have a stiff or gummed up throttle cable...just haven't gotten around to pulling the intake tube and trying to clean it. I know that is not good, BUT why would it cruise fine at 60-70mph for hours, and ONLY act up when you want it to downshift or start off?

I am sooooo fed up with this vehicle, but I have no means to replace it....so it will continue to nickel and dime me....
 
Yeah, it does sound like there is a misfire issue. It sounds like eveything is okay at idle and low load but when you load it up its having trouble keeping spark going.
The CEL will only flash if the PCM sees a misfire rate high enough that the calculated catalyst temperature is above the damage threshold.
 
From your description I also think it's likely a coil. You need to have it hooked to a scanner that can monitor power balance and see if a cylinder is dropping out under load.
 
Please do yourself a favor and do not add Lucas! Change the fluid with Maxlife and see if it helps
 
Originally Posted By: cb_13
From your description I also think it's likely a coil. You need to have it hooked to a scanner that can monitor power balance and see if a cylinder is dropping out under load.


Fords of that era won't set the check engine light or store a code when it has a coil blown.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: cb_13
From your description I also think it's likely a coil. You need to have it hooked to a scanner that can monitor power balance and see if a cylinder is dropping out under load.


Fords of that era won't set the check engine light or store a code when it has a coil blown.


It won't set a code for a mis-fire???. My 2004 did.
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: cb_13
From your description I also think it's likely a coil. You need to have it hooked to a scanner that can monitor power balance and see if a cylinder is dropping out under load.


Fords of that era won't set the check engine light or store a code when it has a coil blown.


It won't set a code for a mis-fire???. My 2004 did.


I've blown a few coils in various fords. Never threw a code. Didn't store anything. Hit or miss depending on how severe.
 
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: cb_13
From your description I also think it's likely a coil. You need to have it hooked to a scanner that can monitor power balance and see if a cylinder is dropping out under load.


Fords of that era won't set the check engine light or store a code when it has a coil blown.


It won't set a code for a mis-fire???. My 2004 did.

OBDII computers are supposed to detect misfire, however, they aren't perfectly accurate. That is why sometimes you get a code, sometimes you don't.

It wouldn't surprise me if your car had failing ignition coils, especially if the spark plugs were run too many miles before their last replacement.

Another thing to look out for is a failing TPS sensor or APP sensor. The transmission needs those sensors to determine engine load, and will shift gears at the wrong time if the sensors aren't accurate. The MAF can also do that, so I suggest uplugging the MAF, driving for a while to see if there is a difference, the reconnect the MAF.
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
2003 Mazda Tribute, 3.0L V-6, CD4E 4-speed auto trans with 167,000 miles.

Trying to figure out if my trans is dying, or if it is something else.

In the last couple of months, when my car is at highway speeds with the TC locked on, it has trouble dropping into a lower gear. Started with a hesitation, and then hard drop into gear, but now when you go up a hill and the engine needs to shift, it shudders and bogs very roughly, and I actually have to push hard on the gas to get it to drop down.

Recently, it has gotten worse, so that when I go to pass hard, even if I floor it, the car will not drop down - it just drops a gear, 'locks' at about 3500-4000rpm, and shakes and shudders and wont really go faster, so hard passes have become a real issue. Also, the truck is having problems starting from a stop - sometimes, you accelerate to go, and you get that same shuddering/bogging behaviour.

So, in reading about this on the Escape forum, it sounds like the TC is dying, basically the trans is failing. But, if that were the case, wouldn't I 'see it' in the fluid? Wouldn't the fluid become black and burnt from all the slipping?

I just went on a long-ish 500-mile RT that was almost all hills, and I hammered it hard on these hills, tranny shuudering, shaking like never before. I check the fluid after this, and it is as clear as a bell - light pinkish red, no grit/sediment at all, and not even slightly dark. fluid was partially changed probably over 15k ago.

I was talking to a customer at the store I work at, because he is having the exact same issue, and he's been told its a problem with the coils - they are mis-firing, and he needs to replace them. He's had a CEL flash occasionally, but not stay on; but he's been told that's what it is.

I've had NO CEL's or warning lights flash...not a bit. He says there is still a problem, and the tranny has nothing to do with it. I'm not convinced. I'm going to change the trany fluid in a few days and put some Lucas tranny fix in it, because I have heard that is very good at stopping slip. But I still thought the fluid would show signs of stress.

Sorry for long post, but....thoughts?



Is that all wheel drive / aka 4 week drive whatever you want to call it.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: cb_13
From your description I also think it's likely a coil. You need to have it hooked to a scanner that can monitor power balance and see if a cylinder is dropping out under load.


Fords of that era won't set the check engine light or store a code when it has a coil blown.


It won't set a code for a mis-fire???. My 2004 did.


I've blown a few coils in various fords. Never threw a code. Didn't store anything. Hit or miss depending on how severe.

You're correct that they will not ALWAYS throw a code. Live data and power balance are current. Codes are recorded. With the live data you can view information during the undesirable event. Now do you see how that could help point the OP in the right direction?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom