help me diagnose this start-up noise

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car: 99 maxima
engine: Nissan VQ30 3.0L V6
86k vehicle miles.
currently running green GC w/ OEM filter. 1500 miles into this OCI.
Recent UOA
knocking/clacking on cold start is back! changed oil 1500 miles ago to gold GC. ran super smooth and quiet for about a month, but now after letting the car sit overnight I get a strong knocking/clacking upon cold start. it lasts about 30 seconds and then calms down. it is worse when the car is parked on an incline (e.g. tilting backward). is this the dreaded TC tensioner?? or something worse??
Click here to watch VQ30-Start-up-knock
 
Which OEM filter are you running (15208-9E000 or the 15208-6****)? The reason I'm asking is that the 15208-6**** is reportedly a cheaper construction/design. I do not know this from personal experience, just from other trusted members of a Maxima forum. I also ask this because pre-BITOG, I used a Fram filter (OK, several of them), and had a very similar noise to your video's on my '97 Maxima's cold starts. Only difference was that mine only lasted several seconds; not nearly as long as yours.
When I switched to higher quality filters (OEM 15208-9E000, Mobil 1, and Pure One's), the sound has been totally absent, regardless of how long my car has sat. It was explained to me the reason was because of the ADBV design/material of the lower quality filters allowed the oil to drain back in the pan, thus the upper end has to wait for oil to fully pump to the top end (on the VQ30, this can take over 30 seconds for full flow according to a post on this board). In your case, this could possibly be compounded by GC's higher viscosity when compared to other 30 weights (thicker oil would take just a little longer to get flowing through the engine if it had all drained back into the pan). That explanation seemed feasible to me at the time, and since the noise has been gone, I haven't given it much more thought.
If you are using a known quality filter (the OEM 15208-9E000 is a good quality filter), could it be possible that something has happened to your ADBV inside from a manufacturer's defect? It's just a quess, but sounds feasible based on my experience of having had the same sound yours currently does when I used filters with questionable quality/ADBVs. And it could explain why yours started mid-OCI.
Regardless, unless you can actually pinpoint an exact other cause of the noise, I would simply change the filter (just the filter, you'll lose about 1/4 quart). It's simple enough on our cars, and a new filter is about $5.00. If it fixes it (which would be immediate), you know the cause. If it doesn't, you're not really out much, and will know to look elsewhere.
I'll post a link to your video on Maxima.org to see if some of them have any other ideas.

I could be wrong in my reasoning above, but your noise sounds identical to what mine did, other than duration. And mine was "cured" simply by going to different filters (of "higher" quality).

Dave
 
Your symtoms are exactly the same as when I ran straight 40W in my previously owned 1978 Sedan Deville on one cold winter morning. This was of course along time ago before I got my BITOG education. The engine was starving for oil upon start up. So with that I agree with Dave's post that you're getting a restriction in oil flow during start up for some unknown reason. You should definately take Dave's advice; change out the filter and then go from there.
 
Dave - thanks for the reply. I'm using the 9E filter with the silicon valve (not the newer cheap 9E design that uses the black nitrile valve). funny thing, last time I ran GC (gold stuff) it did almost the same thing about 1500 miles into the OCI, except that it clacked/ticked continuously even after warm up and didn't "knock" quite as bad at cold start. back then i was using an Mobil 1 filter. I figured it must be restricting flow, so I swapped it out for a 9E and presto, no more noise. since then I've run an OCI of Maxlife with a super tech filter and it was quiet. then i put in green GC w/9E and it was super quiet and smooth. then this noise just just started out of nowhere during a weekend road trip.

I'm just hoping this isn't rod knock or something. I don't know what bearing knock sounds like, so I'm hoping someone on here can confirm/deny it for me. also, my used oil analysis with the gold GC showed high copper. I'm wondering if that was related to the noise back then.

I'll swap filters and see what happens.
 
Whats the maintenance history?
Ever pull a valve cover?

Try a different oil filter like a $3 purolator, STP, or ST.
If that doesn't help, use a different oil at your next oil change.

And, find someone with a bore scope to inspect the oil pump pickup the next time you yank the drain plug.

Nissan's timing chains and tensioners are nothing to brag about. I've seen/heard issues with most of their chain'd engines. Most chain issues seem to be exaggerated by cheap oil usage and negligent OCI's.
 
thanks for the reply. the car was dealer maintained until I bought it at 67k. GTX oil changes every 3-5k with OEM filters. never pulled a valve cover, but I can see down inside the filler cap and it's nice and clean in there. I did auto-rx last fall for good measure, and have been running LC20 up until this OCI.

with the borescope, am I looking for blockage of the pickup screen?

I have a pep boys proline oil filter (which I believe is just a private label purolator) that I'll put on for kicks.
 
put the new filter on. I believe it did alleviate some of the noise, but did not completely eliminate it.
here's the updated sound clip w/ pep boys proline filter...
Click here to watch VQ30-Start-Up-Knock3

compared to the second sound clip a few posts above the knock is less noticable. but listening live in the garage you can still clearly hear it. still trying to understand where it is coming from. somebody on here must have an opinion as to whether or not this is bearing/rod knock. opinions welcome, thanks. in the meantime I'll be ordering a mechanic's stethoscope to help zone in on it.
 
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