HB4 LED - "real" lights for Fog Light (not toys)

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Can anyone recommend a high lumen HB4 LED for fog light replacements for my WRX. Stock are HB4/9006 51W, but they are marginal at best. I know I can put 55W halogens in (people have done this), but I want to try LED's.

Any suggestions?
 
LEDs need special housings to focus and aim them properly.

Try an ultra-efficient bulb, such as the Osram Night-Breaker. Less wasted light and maximum lumens on the road (without being illegal).
 
LEDs arent going to cut it. If you want high lumen, look at Philips 9012, but that is way overkill. You probably want a selective yellow bulb for the fogs.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Does Daniel Stern have an opinion?


Good suggestion. I forgot he is a member here! I will PM him.

I just want a bit more light at ground level, I'm not using them for driving lights. The WRX Limited has HID's.
 
One has to be careful with fog lamps. Too much light close to the ground can be detrimental to both you and other drivers. You don't want to flood the foreground with light, as that takes away your distance vision. And the round-bounce glare to other drivers with even standard fog lamps can be pretty disabling on wet pavement...especially since many people use fog lamps inappropriately.

This is why, despite the popularity of HIDs in the main beam housings, NO manufacturer uses HIDs in the fog lamps. No manufacturer uses high-lumen bulbs in the fog lamps either (like HB3 or 9012).

Really...a standard HB4 is best here.
 
Hokie that does sound like good advice. I've had them out only once in real fog and once in light fog. I will say the vertical cutoff is pretty good, I just wanted more throw and was thinking LED's would help.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Can anyone recommend a high lumen HB4 LED for fog light replacements for my WRX. Stock are HB4/9006 51W, but they are marginal at best. I know I can put 55W halogens in (people have done this), but I want to try LED's.

Any suggestions?


There are none. They are all waste of money.

Maybe if you can figure out how to retrofit the 2014 Corolla LED low beams into your fogs... then you would have "real" LED lights
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
One has to be careful with fog lamps. Too much light close to the ground can be detrimental to both you and other drivers. You don't want to flood the foreground with light, as that takes away your distance vision. And the round-bounce glare to other drivers with even standard fog lamps can be pretty disabling on wet pavement...especially since many people use fog lamps inappropriately.


You have it completely backwards. Fog lamps are specifically designed to add lots and lots of foreground lighting, where it's most useful in foul weather, which is when fog lamps should be used. A good fog lamp will focus the hot spot about 5 feet in front of the vehicle, spread the beam out 100+ degrees, have a razor sharp cutoff, and only be useful to about 100 feet or less.

Yes, driving with the fog lamps on all the time (in fair weather) will result in unnecessary foreground lighting and affect distance vision. At that point, the driver is using the wrong tool for the job.

Since Daniel Stern was mentioned, here's what he has to say about fog lamps (emphasis is mine):

Originally Posted By: Daniel Stern
That's the key point: fog lamps are meant to be used in heavy fog, rain, or snow to help the driver see the edges of the road close to the car so s/he can safely make progress through foul weather at very low speeds.

The fog lamps' job is to show you the edges of the road, the lane markings, and the immediate foreground. When used in combination with the headlamps, good fog lamps weight the overall beam pattern towards the foreground so that even though there may be a relatively high level of upward stray light from the headlamps causing glareback from the fog or falling rain or snow, there will be more foreground light than usual without a corresponding increase in upward stray light, giving back some of the vision you lose to precipitation.

When used without headlamps in conditions of extremely poor visibility due to snow, fog or heavy rain, good fog lamps light the foreground and the road edges only, so you can see your way safely at reduced speeds.


http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/fog_lamps/fog_lamps.html

To illustrate, here are a pair of isolux diagrams for Hella 500 lamps, a good auxiliary lamp offered in both fog and driving patterns.

Fog lamp:
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Driving lamp:
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For comparison, a Hella 90mm projector headlamp (low beam):
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Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
You have it completely backwards.


No, I have it right. And you described it accurately below.

Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
Fog lamps are specifically designed to add lots and lots of foreground lighting, where it's most useful in foul weather, which is when fog lamps should be used. A good fog lamp will focus the hot spot about 5 feet in front of the vehicle, spread the beam out 100+ degrees, have a razor sharp cutoff, and only be useful to about 100 feet or less.


You are exactly correct. And this is the very reason we must be careful with fog lamps, and especially with increasing the intensity of fog lamps. A fog lamp's useful distance is 5-100' (your figures, and I generally agree with them). That's way too short to be useful at most road speeds, and if used to supplement low beams in clear weather (as many people use them), their distance vision is reduced because of the abundance of foreground light.

Fog lamps are useful for feeling your way along an extremely foggy road very slowly. They spread a very wide (and relatively short) beam so you can see the road edges. Above about 25 mph or so, a properly-aimed fog lamp is generally useless for two reasons:

1) You're going faster than your reaction speed for objects in the fog lamps' beam.
2) If you are properly using fog lamps, you're in thick pea soup and 25 mph is probably too fast for the conditions.

You and I agree on what a fog lamp does. Fog lamps add very immediate foreground light. And for this reason, they're often mis-used...and increasing the intensity of these is usually detrimental to their operation.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Infiniti Q50 also has LED fogs now.


they are also available on the IS-F and BMW X5

however, it's not one of those adaptations of an existing fog light using a standardized bulb.
 
Pablo,

As I am sure you are aware, there are some really interesting, high wattage, fan cooled, LED replacement bulbs available. Some are even 25W x 2! That's 50W or roughly 3000 lumens!

But, there are not many reviews on these bulbs yet. And, your application is different than the next guys. So, it's a bit of a guess.
 
I just installed the Hella Optilux HB4 9006 55W Extreme Yellow XY Bulbs and frankly for the price they appear pretty nicely yellow. It's been foggy lately so I will test them soon.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I just installed the Hella Optilux HB4 9006 55W Extreme Yellow XY Bulbs and frankly for the price they appear pretty nicely yellow. It's been foggy lately so I will test them soon.


Absolutely a great mod. Highly recommended, and not expensive at all ~$16. Foggy, rainy - they actually do help.
 
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