wemay -- Does it actually say 5W-20 on the oil fill cap ?
Havoline 5W-20 / Conventional vs Synthetic
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
wemay -- Does it actually say 5W-20 on the oil fill cap ?
wemay -- Does it actually say 5W-20 on the oil fill cap ?
Originally Posted By: BigD1
I am not a chemist, but 600 parts of calcium less to 30 parts more magnesium just does not sound good to me.
Why not?
I am not a chemist, but 600 parts of calcium less to 30 parts more magnesium just does not sound good to me.
Why not?
wemay -- You didn't have to take a picture. I would've taken your word for it.
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
wemay -- You didn't have to take a picture. I would've taken your word for it.
Lol. "...1000 words"
wemay -- You didn't have to take a picture. I would've taken your word for it.
Lol. "...1000 words"
im using 5w30 in my 2011 hyundai santa fe v6 from now on the 2016 full size santa fe v6 says to use 5w30 on the cap
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My Sonata 2.4 says 5w20
The Santa Fe Sport 2.0T says 5w30
The Santa Fe Sport 2.0T says 5w30
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: BigD1
I am not a chemist, but 600 parts of calcium less to 30 parts more magnesium just does not sound good to me.
Why not?
Starting TBN has gone down. Look here at the Havoline 5w30 with a starting TBN of 8.97, and now it's at 7.4 according to the latest Havoline product data sheet with the new formulation.
Originally Posted By: BigD1
I am not a chemist, but 600 parts of calcium less to 30 parts more magnesium just does not sound good to me.
Why not?
Starting TBN has gone down. Look here at the Havoline 5w30 with a starting TBN of 8.97, and now it's at 7.4 according to the latest Havoline product data sheet with the new formulation.
Actually looking at the VOAs here, I wouldn't be calling this anything like a switch to magnesium. This is still a primarily calcium package, with a decrease, for whatever reason, in calcium, and still a fairly insignificant amount of magnesium, at least in comparison to what you'd find in a real magnesium oil, such as certain E7, E9 HDEOs.
In any event, retention is the real issue. Starting TBN is just that - starting.
In any event, retention is the real issue. Starting TBN is just that - starting.
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Actually looking at the VOAs here, I wouldn't be calling this anything like a switch to magnesium. This is still a primarily calcium package, with a decrease, for whatever reason, in calcium, and still a fairly insignificant amount of magnesium, at least in comparison to what you'd find in a real magnesium oil, such as certain E7, E9 HDEOs.
In any event, retention is the real issue. Starting TBN is just that - starting.
Not too many people push a Conventional past 5-7K miles (even most bitogers). I don't think TBN is an issue here either.
Actually looking at the VOAs here, I wouldn't be calling this anything like a switch to magnesium. This is still a primarily calcium package, with a decrease, for whatever reason, in calcium, and still a fairly insignificant amount of magnesium, at least in comparison to what you'd find in a real magnesium oil, such as certain E7, E9 HDEOs.
In any event, retention is the real issue. Starting TBN is just that - starting.
Not too many people push a Conventional past 5-7K miles (even most bitogers). I don't think TBN is an issue here either.
Nope, the average user will never run into TBN as a limitation.
Originally Posted By: yougoJAY
We sell Havoline in various flavors at my local Food Lion...it's about 5.39 a quart, tho!
Holy cow Food Lion?! Gosh they left Texas in a hurry back in the 1990's after that scandal with selling old meat. My how things change.
We sell Havoline in various flavors at my local Food Lion...it's about 5.39 a quart, tho!
Holy cow Food Lion?! Gosh they left Texas in a hurry back in the 1990's after that scandal with selling old meat. My how things change.
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