The IBM PC was released in the early 1980's for $4,000. That was a lotta scratch back then. Ain't exactly chicken scratch today...
Have you heard about this EV study??
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Ah yes, that stupid term again.
Break even from an emissions perspective is around 20,000 miles:
https://blog.greenenergyconsumers.o...aph below,points with their gas counterparts.
Break even from a cost perspective is around 100k miles:
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/best-ev-electric-car/
Same thing still stands though even with the emissions thing, it depends on what cars you compare. People don't typically buy $50k cars who are shopping $30k cars. I didn't go out of my car price range to buy an EV. We felt it was our best option at the price point for the other cars we were considering. One of the other cars considered was at a cost that our break even was about 3 months worth of fuel. If cost is the reason to buy an EV and you're going to put 20% more into the initial purchase it's not a good way to save money in most cases. I'm sure there are examples where this makes sense, but I haven't seen one for my purpose.
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I like this report I linked, that shows you Mpg equivalent of EV's depending on the grid emissions intensity:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/ev-cradle-to-grave-emissions.338750/
Car & Driver just did a 10-hour distance test with several EVs, and broke down by distance traveled and time driving. The BMW gas engine traveled 747 miles in 10 hours at 75mph; the top EV was the Hyundai Ioniq at like 686 miles, 9 hours driving, and 1.0 hours charging. The Lexus Rx450H was by far the worst; nearly half the 10 hours was spent charging.
I wish they had done it inversely; how many hours does it take to drive 750 miles at 75mph? That’s more logical for how people drive; based on distance to destination and the time it took, not “I’m going to drive for 10 hours even though where I end up is an unknown.”
Your wish is extremely close to Bjorn Nylon's 1000Km challenge. He does this at 120 KPH which is 621 miles @ 74.5 MPH.
His test is done on the same route with each cars charging at their optimized speed at as big a charger as they can take.
The reference ICE car does it in 9:34 if I recall.
Here is the current leaderboard. Not every car has been tested - the lucid would likely only need one stop.
This give you travel metrics as well as outright efficiency.
WH/KM separates what has a big expensive battery but otherwise a pig- with what really delivers the goods - of course you have to compare RWD, FWD, with AWD.
It's a good place to go to see what issues cars may have on trips - like the hyundai kias losing control of cabin HVAC in hot weather.
Which cars " speed gate" or "coldgate"
https://www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland
Yes, because useful electricity to charge your beloved EV just materializes out of thin air, right?SO many wars fought over oil. Wonder how many orphanages bombed. So many lithium pits dug. Wonder how many cobalt mine pediatric deaths. Makes you just want to live in a mud hut and be naked and die by 35, doesn't it? No? Me either. Love my EV
Well, it could have, until JP Morgan pulled all funding for the Wardenclyffe project and turned Nikola Tesla PNG, effectively forever bankrupting him in the name of greed over “green”.
Popular history is rarely truthful history.
Sorry -Bjorn a bit hard to follow here's leaderboard
ICE is gas only 5 min one stop needed like you guys say you always do at 8:35
the 2 NIOS are battery swap stations.
EVs being with Tie - Benz, and LR Palladium.
The gap between an electric an ICE with charger in the corridor is a pretty short window - 1/2 an hour for the expensive stuff - 45- an hour for cheaper 50K stuff
ICE is gas only 5 min one stop needed like you guys say you always do at 8:35
the 2 NIOS are battery swap stations.
EVs being with Tie - Benz, and LR Palladium.
The gap between an electric an ICE with charger in the corridor is a pretty short window - 1/2 an hour for the expensive stuff - 45- an hour for cheaper 50K stuff
This is a regional issue. I vote for people not crashing in front of my house due to bald or summer tires.
at least they mandate mountain/snowflake tires up there.
no vehicle inspection here either. rust holes you can put your fist through on the cars.
We have SALT LICKS on the road you could cut it in half and be fine IMO.
and dont get me started on the brine.
wow… and to think that, equipped with a 1982 Volkswagen Rabbit diesel with its mighty 52HP and a wanton disregard for one’s own safety, you could still easily make the podium among today’s EVs
If that doesn’t seal the win for hydrocarbons, nothing will
Of course it doesn't - it has to be made, somehow.
One of the things I like about electrics is the myriad of ways there is to make the fuel for them.
Some of which I can actually do on premise. Ive got about 2.7MW a year left over to power anything Id like.
I can also make electricity from gasoline, and or natural gas I'm directly connected to.
I cannot create liquid fuel myself (grandpa could though hehe) and run sprint cars on his own fuel.
I'd like to think that if only we knew as much or more than Tesla - there is somehow an endless supply of electricity to be had out of the sky that we could wirelessly send everywhere independent of a grid, but I'm not super sure that was actually what he had.
wow… and to think that, equipped with a 1982 Volkswagen Rabbit diesel with its mighty 52HP and a wanton disregard for one’s own safety, you could still easily make the podium among today’s EVs
If that doesn’t seal the win for hydrocarbons, nothing will
......until you get to the 0-60, quarter mile, air conditioning and heating - and fill up from your house part
They were amazingly cheap and long legged if the dullest slowest thing on the planet. (perfect teenage boy car - slows em down, cheap to run)
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No, most of it comes from coal and natural gas and solar in my case. All products of north America. Its nice.
That big nuclear fusion reactor in the sky...
In most technology, it is easier to just pick the low hanging fruits and be done with it. 40 miles of battery is a low hanging fruit vs a 300 miles one, a gas engine that runs only during long trips 10% of the time is a low hanging fruit vs an engine that runs all the time but is 90% cleaner than another gas engine.
I still think PHEV is the right choice in the next 10 years.
That runs 50% of the time.
I'm pretty sure it runs all the time, right? At least for another 5B years or so...
I was driving a Dodge charger for many years, but when my life changed and I started to need to travel only 1 KM to a train station and back for work, I realized the cold dry starts in the parking lot would be killing the ICE engine so I sold it and bought a POS Nissan Leaf. I remember telling the dealer I wanted to test drive a POS Nissan Leaf. Having owned one for 4 years, a used EV, I have to say that we started driving that car 90% of the time. The alternate was a Mazda 3, that I love to drive. The fact is, we simply didn't have a need to travel more than 50 km on most days and the EV was super convenient. If long term it's cost effective, can't say. What I can tell you guys is that I enjoy ICE engines, but there is definitely a place for EVs, they're not as bad as I thought.
Mountain/snowflake tires only mandated in Quebec, and certain mountain passes in British Columbia.
Summer Baldini's ok in the rest of Canada through the winter.
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