They might be understating it a bit too.
Have you heard about this EV study??
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This is NIMBY, not only in California, but anywhere on earth. We are human afterall.
I don’t think efficiency is much of a force as many would like to believe in car purchases. Large vehicles wouldn’t be so popular if we were actually concerned with cost to move around. I know that’s not directly what you’re referring to, but as a point of saying we want what we want, not necessarily that we actually want what would be best for our situation and use.
SO many wars fought over oil. Wonder how many orphanages bombed. So many lithium pits dug. Wonder how many cobalt mine pediatric deaths. Makes you just want to live in a mud hut and be naked and die by 35, doesn't it? No? Me either. Love my EV 
Both US and EU still heavily rely on fossil fuels to generate electricity, and with natural gas prices going up in EU and them keeping shutting down nuclear power plants... they won't have cheap or enough electricity for all the EVs they push for.
Here is data from last year:
EV production costs and sale prices in EU will go up soon as well due to rising power costs and auto plants leaving EU for US and otherwise.
Here is data from last year:
EV production costs and sale prices in EU will go up soon as well due to rising power costs and auto plants leaving EU for US and otherwise.
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Cheaper electricity always makes my envy list. You guys seem to do it well… the poster people of safe, reliable nuke power and still pushing boundaries. Bravo.
Outside of Tesla, the EV marketplace is still in its infancy.
10 years ago the Nissan Leaf, Smart Fortwo Electric Drive, and Mitsubishi i-MiEV were the only games in town that had a ghost of a chance of securing over 15,000 global units a year.
The Chevy Volt was/is quite a nice PHEV. If you removed the $7500 tax credit I would still argue that most new car buyers would actually be better off with a Prius Prime Plug-In if fuel economy and emissions reduction are their priorities.
My concerns are more geopolitical. We're forced to work with those who frankly hate the American way of life as it stands right now. In a world where we intentionally choose to minimize our dealings with the Arab dictatorships, Russian mafia, and the Chinese communist party, hybrids and the PHEV would be the vehicle of choice.
Every dollar we keep between America and our allies is a dollar worth keeping.
10 years ago the Nissan Leaf, Smart Fortwo Electric Drive, and Mitsubishi i-MiEV were the only games in town that had a ghost of a chance of securing over 15,000 global units a year.
The Chevy Volt was/is quite a nice PHEV. If you removed the $7500 tax credit I would still argue that most new car buyers would actually be better off with a Prius Prime Plug-In if fuel economy and emissions reduction are their priorities.
My concerns are more geopolitical. We're forced to work with those who frankly hate the American way of life as it stands right now. In a world where we intentionally choose to minimize our dealings with the Arab dictatorships, Russian mafia, and the Chinese communist party, hybrids and the PHEV would be the vehicle of choice.
Every dollar we keep between America and our allies is a dollar worth keeping.
I bet the actual truth is 100k miles plus to break even.
I'd seriously consider PHEV as my next purchase, just not fully EV.
I'd consider PHEV, just not pure EV.
didn't see the post I added, so I hit it again, saw both right after but couldn't delete the second one.
I think it can be skewed in either direction based on the vehicles compared. Now we just need like vehicle to like vehicle compared because the number says 30k miles. I bet if we took two like compared vehicles in the compact or midsize range it's probably around 50k miles and runs up the scale as the like for like vehicles get bigger.
I remember test driving the model 3 Tesla with my GF from Italy. The instant acceleration was kind of cool, but that was it. For me, at barely (5’-8”) the front seats were horrible and too short from back-to-front. The so-called autonomous mode was markedly unreliable on the interstate. On the plus side, the safety features are quite impressive, but overall, not a car I could enjoy. The styling was about as exciting as a plain white bread bologna sandwich.
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Germany has gone almost as insane as California and it is all because of the green/communist lunatics.
Nothing new here. People have been calculating the breakeven point with electric/hybrid vehicles for decades now. The idea is as we move toward using electricity and ultimately the Sun directly as our primary source of energy that innovation turns a relatively expensive and dirty manufacturing process into a cheap and clean process. This is true of any technology. Imagine we had given up on computers because they were electricity hogs/manufacturing intensive in 1960 as I type this on my phone with a SOC that’s millions of times more powerful and millions of time less manufacturing intensive to make. Harnessing electricity and storing electricity will likely get better but we still need to start somewhere.
You get to export your pollution to someone else backyard, while virtue signaling them.
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