GTX SynBlend 0w20

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Found this while doing a bit of research after a visit with my dealer today. While at the dealership I was at the service department asking about specifics of the oil filter for SkyActiv engines since there is some confusion. Interesting enough he pointed behind me at a box with a brand new 2L SkyActiv engine in it that was going into a Mazda3 because Sears put on a filter for the regular 2L instead of the SkyActiv specific one. Long story short, while the filter for the standard 2L fits, it doesn't fit quite properly enough, it is more narrow and the gaskets don't line up quite right which causes a slow leak.

Back to the oil, I asked how much Mazda 0w20. His response surprised me, they don't stock Mazda 0w20. Instead they've got 55 gallon drums of GTX SynBlend 0w20. I was confused, 0w20 can only come from synthetic basestocks and as far as I was aware only full synthetic oils could achieve requirements for 0w20 certification. After coming home I decided to do a little research and sure enough Castrol does indeed make an 0w20 GTX SynBlend . However, they only sell it in 6 gallon boxes or 55 gallon drums. So here is the question regarding all of this, Mazda does not specify that synthetic oil must be used. Rather they specify 0w20 with an API starburst. I wonder though, given that Mazda formulates their Ow20 as a full synthetic is that what these engines are really expected to use? I would assume not since their dealers are given the green light to use the GTX SynBlend, and the PDS doesn't look bad. It is still a question that I feel should be properly addressed though.
 
That is because 0w20 has to at least be a blend...partly to keep the costs down is why they have a blend...

Kinda the same way with GM's dexos...it has to at least be a blend in order to work...
 
Most API SN oils are semi-syn already (due to stricter requirements). I think it is more of a marketing decision than anything else to not simply label them as such.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Most API SN oils are semi-syn already (due to stricter requirements). I think it is more of a marketing decision than anything else to not simply label them as such.


Completely agree. Amazing how even on BITOG not a lot of people are aware of that.
 
If this oil shows up in the 5qt. jug at Walmart for $17.xx it will sell well. It would be a good choice for warranty coverage in the newer 0w20 spec'd vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: pbm
If this oil shows up in the 5qt. jug at Walmart for $17.xx it will sell well. It would be a good choice for warranty coverage in the newer 0w20 spec'd vehicles.


I definitely agree. I know Mazda and Honda say 0w20 but don't specify synthetic. Subaru specifies synthetic. Does anyone know whether Toyota specs synthetic 0w20?
 
My Bro just bought a 2013 Toyota Tundra and on the oil cap it states "use 0w-20 oil only".

IMO....for the free Oil Changes at any dealership.... they most likely are using a synthetic blended 0w-20. I can't see them filling a new vehicle with TGMO 0w-20, Full Synthetic for 3 years of "Free Bee's"


Originally Posted By: RamFan
Originally Posted By: pbm
If this oil shows up in the 5qt. jug at Walmart for $17.xx it will sell well. It would be a good choice for warranty coverage in the newer 0w20 spec'd vehicles.


I definitely agree. I know Mazda and Honda say 0w20 but don't specify synthetic. Subaru specifies synthetic. Does anyone know whether Toyota specs synthetic 0w20?
 
Originally Posted By: mongo161
My Bro just bought a 2013 Toyota Tundra and on the oil cap it states "use 0w-20 oil only".

IMO....for the free Oil Changes at any dealership.... they most likely are using a synthetic blended 0w-20. I can't see them filling a new vehicle with TGMO 0w-20, Full Synthetic for 3 years of "Free Bee's"


Originally Posted By: RamFan
Originally Posted By: pbm
If this oil shows up in the 5qt. jug at Walmart for $17.xx it will sell well. It would be a good choice for warranty coverage in the newer 0w20 spec'd vehicles.


I definitely agree. I know Mazda and Honda say 0w20 but don't specify synthetic. Subaru specifies synthetic. Does anyone know whether Toyota specs synthetic 0w20?


Probably true, but I would have no reservations about a 0w20 syn-blend.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: mongo161
My Bro just bought a 2013 Toyota Tundra and on the oil cap it states "use 0w-20 oil only".

IMO....for the free Oil Changes at any dealership.... they most likely are using a synthetic blended 0w-20. I can't see them filling a new vehicle with TGMO 0w-20, Full Synthetic for 3 years of "Free Bee's"


Originally Posted By: RamFan
Originally Posted By: pbm
If this oil shows up in the 5qt. jug at Walmart for $17.xx it will sell well. It would be a good choice for warranty coverage in the newer 0w20 spec'd vehicles.


I definitely agree. I know Mazda and Honda say 0w20 but don't specify synthetic. Subaru specifies synthetic. Does anyone know whether Toyota specs synthetic 0w20?


Probably true, but I would have no reservations about a 0w20 syn-blend.


I have no issue with 0w20 blends, I do kind of have a reservation wondering if Mazda and Toyota intended for their 0w20 requirement to be synthetic only. Honda does not specify synthetic only and thus their house oil is a blend (because a blend is the minimum needed to achieve 0w). However, Toyota and Mazda both require the use of 0w20 without the stipulation of synthetic, however their house brands only come in synthetic form. Now, is this because they are trying to squeeze a bit more out of the consumer? Or is it because they want their consumers to use synthetic oil and their was a lack of stipulation in manuals? I wonder if the manufacturers didn't feel the need to stipulate synthetic only since the vast majority of 0w20 oils are in fact synthetic, in fact, until recently 0w20 was only available as a full synthetic. I could see the evolutionary step of 0w20 being available also as a blend being overlooked thus resulting in lack of stipulation in manuals. While I'm almost positive this isn't the case, it does leave a little "what if" in the back of my mind. Especially given my Mazda manuals complete lack of the word synthetic, a lot of manuals will say something like "Synthetic oil meeting the required specifications may be used but is not needed." Mazda doesn't even have that which also makes me wonder if that is because the implied instruction was for synthetic use only.
 
I looked under the hood of a new z71 at the chevy place, with the 5.3. Oil fill cap read 0w-20. So much for GM holding out with 5w30.
 
Originally Posted By: 95busa
I looked under the hood of a new z71 at the chevy place, with the 5.3. Oil fill cap read 0w-20. So much for GM holding out with 5w30.


It's an epidemic I tell ya...an epidemic! Now I can't drive on the autobahn. It's all SO WRONG!
 
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
......and there will continue to be more.

Not surprised, someone had to do the 0w-20 thing cheaper...


Yep!
 
Originally Posted By: RamFan
Originally Posted By: pbm
If this oil shows up in the 5qt. jug at Walmart for $17.xx it will sell well. It would be a good choice for warranty coverage in the newer 0w20 spec'd vehicles.


I definitely agree. I know Mazda and Honda say 0w20 but don't specify synthetic. Subaru specifies synthetic. Does anyone know whether Toyota specs synthetic 0w20?


No Toyota does not specify 0W20 synthetic. Phillips has confirmed their 0W20 blend meets Toyota's warranty requirements.
 
The GTX SynBlend 0W-20 has a 170 VI so it's about average for non OEM 0W-20. There are 0W-20's that will be heavier such as Pennzoil Platinum 0w20.
The main point is that it is lighter than all 5w20 conventionals even 5W-20 synthetics.
The thing is, it just isn't anywhere near as light as the Idemitsu made Mazda Moly 0W-20 with it's 221 VI. That's the oil that's spec'd for the car and you don't need to run anything heavier than that obviously. So for your next oil change order in the Mazda Brand 0W-20 in advance or go with TGMO 0W-20 which is almost as a light and many Toyota/Lexus dealers now have TGMO 0W-20 in bulk if you don't want to change the oil yourself.
 
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