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You apparently haven't read all of my posts in this thread. We gave the other models a fair shot, and they didn't match up, either overall or in value.

Since you insist on spouting that "DI is BAD" then you should have no problems with me pointing out that Ford, Hyundai, VW, and now Honda are all using DI in their engines. And so far, who's DI System appears to be the least troublesome? Owait, it's GMs. Hmmmm.

And again, electric steering. You cannot compare two vehicles which use a completely unrelated power steering system and, say that because one is bad, so else is everything that that manufacturer makes. It would be like saying, because Hyundai had a few problems with rust in some of their earelier 2000s models, ALL Hyundais are going to have rust problems. It just doesn't work.

If you pay attention, you'll notice the thread title was about GMs website, but the content since then is mostly about the equinox, and instrument panels.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Although one can't argue the reliability of the Honda(CR-V) and the Toyota(RAV4) nor their scoring from the automotive press, folks need to drive the Equinox. I'll tell ya, from someone(me) who has only driven Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda in the past 25+ years, this NOX is one nice and quiet driving small/mid size SUV!

My good buddy bought an '11 4 cyl Nox and the thing is quieter and better riding/handling than my wifes RX-300. I never thought the RX was quiet for a Lexus anyway even when new.

My personal review of the Equinox is that it feels like a much more grown up vehicle compared to the CR-V/RAV4. The Nox's doors close with a much nicer thunk, ride more comfortable and stable and just feels more substantial than the Honda/Toyota. The Nox's 4 cyl doesn't suck either.

I have always been(the last 25+ yrs) partial to the forign makes due to my personal experience(reliability) but, I think this is changing and I don't think that the domestic vehicles are disastorous either, the way they once were...In my personal experience!!!

My buddy has had this '11 Nox almost 1 year without issues and he claims it's the best vehicle he has ever owned. He has has many Chevy's in the last 35 years that we've known one another.

He and I test drove many SUV's before he picked the Equinox and I have to agree with his choice. The Nox is just plain & simple..."nicer to drive"!!! It's solid, very quiet and mature feeling. He and his wife's largest concern is the view outward in the rear and to the sides. But, all vehicles are getting this way to some degree.

One would have to test drive many vehicles in this class and pick the one that best suits their needs and the Nox may not be right for everyone but, you gotta test'em all!


This assessment is similar to what the automotive press has reported.

In its price class, the Equinox is the top rated "Affordable SUV" on the market.

I've not bought a US brand (new) since 1991....but it's time to consider one again.

Ford and GM are more than competitive today...and this is coming from someone who has family members working for both and have said "I'll never buy another American made car again". I was wrong.




Read magazines with a grain of salt. Many are just paid advertising.

What works well is talk to owners that drive the vehicle you are looking at buying. Store lots and gas stations work well. Most people are more than happy to tell you how good or bad their vehicle is.



When we bought our new cars, we did compare them to the others, simply out of curiosity. Are we Ford/GM supporters? Yes we are, but we gave the others a fair chance. The equinox just feels flat out better than the CR-V and RAV4. It's quieter, better put together, more controlled ride, more comfortable. Add to that the most features for the money, and it was a winner. Same reason my parents bought the 2003 Expedition back in 02, because at the time it was the best large SUV, redesigned with IRS, a nice interior, and sharp handling and ride, for an SUV (Thanks to the IRS). I read the mags, but I do actually use my own observations to form an opinion.


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When we bought our new cars, we did compare them to the others, simply out of curiosity. Are we Ford/GM supporters? Yes we are, but we gave the others a fair chance.


Gave the others a fair chance? No you didn't. You drove them out of "curiosity". You support Ford and GM so it is human nature that you will find fault in other products.

At least I'm honest with myself and what I post. I don't care who makes my vehicle as long as it is dead nuts reliable because that is what is most important for me.

If yours is brand loyalty and dashboard layouts, have at it. But at least be honest.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Well let's put it this way fella....I see you own a CR-V and probably partial to it.

I'll tell you how impartial I am. I own an Acura RDX. While I do like it, if having to make the decision today between an RDX and an Equinox...the only thing in favor of the RDX is its handling, MAYBE reliability, and resale value.

In almost all other aspects, the Equinox beats it. And I wasn't paid for saying that.


Okay fella....but you got it a little wrong.

Yes, I traded the GM for the Honda. I let the wife drive it because of the worldclass reliability. I don't care if she likes the dashboard layout. When we first looked at the CR-V, the first words out of her mouth was that she thought it was ugly.


I'm not partial to any vehicle. In the end, all that matters is that it gets me and the wife from point "A" to point "B" and back. You place handling (which can be a safety issue), reliability, and resale value in the backseat to "almost all other aspects". Your money, your life, do what you want.

I drive the Astro cargo van which has been rock soild so far and hauls my manly tools.

If the CR-V is as reliable as people say, I may upgrade the wife to an RDX.

I was not paid to say any of that.


I guess you probably don't want to hear about the client my mom had who had the transmission on her brand new civic die TWICE within 1 year of her purchasing it. =\


Go for it, I'll read it. Nothing I can do about it and I'm not going to run off and trade in the CR-V. My transmission seems fine so far.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Char Baby said:
Although one can't argue the reliability of the Honda(CR-V) and the Toyota(RAV4) nor their scoring from the automotive press, folks need to drive the Equinox. I'll tell ya, from someone(me) who has only driven Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda in the past 25+ years, this NOX is one nice and quiet driving small/mid size SUV!

My good buddy bought an '11 4 cyl Nox and the thing is quieter and better riding/handling than my wifes RX-300. I never thought the RX was quiet for a Lexus anyway even when new.

My personal review of the Equinox is that it feels like a much more grown up vehicle compared to the CR-V/RAV4. The Nox's doors close with a much nicer thunk, ride more comfortable and stable and just feels more substantial than the Honda/Toyota. The Nox's 4 cyl doesn't suck either.

I have always been(the last 25+ yrs) partial to the forign makes due to my personal experience(reliability) but, I think this is changing and I don't think that the domestic vehicles are disastorous either, the way they once were...In my personal experience!!!

My buddy has had this '11 Nox almost 1 year without issues and he claims it's the best vehicle he has ever owned. He has has many Chevy's in the last 35 years that we've known one another.

He and I test drove many SUV's before he picked the Equinox and I have to agree with his choice. The Nox is just plain & simple..."nicer to drive"!!! It's solid, very quiet and mature feeling. He and his wife's largest concern is the view outward in the rear and to the sides. But, all vehicles are getting this way to some degree.

One would have to test drive many vehicles in this class and pick the one that best suits their needs and the Nox may not be right for everyone but, you gotta test'em all!


This assessment is similar to what the automotive press has reported.

In its price class, the Equinox is the top rated "Affordable SUV" on the market.

I've not bought a US brand (new) since 1991....but it's time to consider one again.

Ford and GM are more than competitive today...and this is coming from someone who has family members working for both and have said "I'll never buy another American made car again". I was wrong.




Read magazines with a grain of salt. Many are just paid advertising.

What works well is talk to owners that drive the vehicle you are looking at buying. Store lots and gas stations work well. Most people are more than happy to tell you how good or bad their vehicle is.



When we bought our new cars, we did compare them to the others, simply out of curiosity. Are we Ford/GM supporters? Yes we are, but we gave the others a fair chance. The equinox just feels flat out better than the CR-V and RAV4. It's quieter, better put together, more controlled ride, more comfortable. Add to that the most features for the money, and it was a winner. Same reason my parents bought the 2003 Expedition back in 02, because at the time it was the best large SUV, redesigned with IRS, a nice interior, and sharp handling and ride, for an SUV (Thanks to the IRS). I read the mags, but I do actually use my own observations to form an opinion.


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When we bought our new cars, we did compare them to the others, simply out of curiosity. Are we Ford/GM supporters? Yes we are, but we gave the others a fair chance.


Gave the others a fair chance? No you didn't. You drove them out of "curiosity". You support Ford and GM so it is human nature that you will find fault in other products.

At least I'm honest with myself and what I post. I don't care who makes my vehicle as long as it is dead nuts reliable because that is what is most important for me.

If yours is brand loyalty and dashboard layouts, have at it. But at least be honest.
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Honestly? The other vehicles you mentioned SUCK compared to the Chevy. Facts and evidence bare this out.
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Now as to the other posts, I think the Terrain looks like it is trying to look like an expensive German vehicle and FAIL whereas the Equinox looks very stylish.

OTOT, someone is selling a Mercedes S500 for $7900. Proof http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2789360287.html so as to safety? Performance? Room?
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Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1


Haha...a statement full of contradictions whether you know it or not.

1. An RDX out handles an Equinox. A CR-V does not. Your wife is in danger. BTW, an RDX can out handle some so called sports sedans.

2. An Astro is one of the most UNSAFE vehicles on the planet. You should check that out. And statistically it's VERY unreliable and they handle like wheelbarrows. You are in danger.


And finally, the resale value and reliability are TBD's. I'd bet on the resale value being better with an Acura over Chevy though. But....then there is the initial price to consider for a what I'd consider, giving my personal weightings to it, a lesser vehicle at a higher price. The Chevy's is lower. Considering some of Honda's transmission issues in the past few years, especially with their heavier and more powerful cars....not so sure about reliability.


What are you talking about? Did you read my post? Are you just being childish?

I have ZERO brand loyality. I will buy what I believe is best for me at the time for the expectations I have at the time.

I said in response to you that if the CR-V is as reliable as I've been told, I may upgrade to the RDX in the future. Maybe not. I believe you that an RDX outhandles an Equinox. Did I say different?

The way my wife drives, she's in danger if she drove a tank.

I do feel unsafe in the van. It does handle like a wheelbarrow.
The rear-only ABS sucks too. It sucks in the snow.

I disagree with the reliability. The 4.3 is rock solid. Runs like a champ. I will continue to drive the Astro until it proves unreliable. Then I will buy something else.

I would hope resale on an Acura is higher than a Chevy. I've completely lost faith in GM, that's why I did not replace my unreliable GM with another.

So it seems you and I agree on many things.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R


You apparently haven't read all of my posts in this thread. We gave the other models a fair shot, and they didn't match up, either overall or in value.

Since you insist on spouting that "DI is BAD" then you should have no problems with me pointing out that Ford, Hyundai, VW, and now Honda are all using DI in their engines. And so far, who's DI System appears to be the least troublesome? Owait, it's GMs. Hmmmm.

And again, electric steering. You cannot compare two vehicles which use a completely unrelated power steering system and, say that because one is bad, so else is everything that that manufacturer makes. It would be like saying, because Hyundai had a few problems with rust in some of their earelier 2000s models, ALL Hyundais are going to have rust problems. It just doesn't work.

If you pay attention, you'll notice the thread title was about GMs website, but the content since then is mostly about the equinox, and instrument panels.


We're going in circles.

You're a fanboy. That's fine with me. I wish you many years of happiness in your choices.

It is impossible for you to give any other vehicles a "fair shot". That is the nature of being a fanboy of a product. As an admitted Ford/GM fanboy, it is natural that you will find fault in other products. I understand this. But your opinions on other products can be ignored because you will always show preference towards Ford and GM.


DI is an important progression for gasoline internal cumbustion engines. Right now, it ain't for me. Maybe in the future and if they get the kinks out, I might not have a problem. I very well may not have a choice. I'll worry about that when I get there.

I have a problem with GM's electronic steering. It's not for me. If you think it is fine and have no problems, happy motoring!

Now it seems that the thread is about DI and electronic steering. What's next?
 
Perhaps I misread this statement....

"You place handling (which can be a safety issue), reliability, and resale value in the backseat to "almost all other aspects". Your money, your life, do what you want."

But the your money, your life does mesh nicely with "safety issues, reliability and reliability" and me placing them in the backseat,,,which if that was what meant...then you did also.


My apologies if I did misinterpret...but...clearly I do not place these in the backseat. I bought an RDX specifically for these things. In retrospect though, i bought them for ME, and not my wife.

The Acura is special in the handling department...at the expense of ride. But the Chevrolet is adequate handling and safe. Doesn't handle well enough for me...but then again it is the wife's car and I when I drive it we're going on a trip (not the time for hard cornering).
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
If you "guys" ever get done talking about dashboards, cupholders, and floor mats, before you purchase an Equinox, you might want to research things like:

1. Long-term reliability and maintenance issues with DI.

2. GM's scary electronic steering.

3. Timing belt changes.

4. Safety and reliability ratings...

Especially if your child or SO will be driving the vehicle.

Then again, the OP is looking for a vehicle for the MIL, so the Equinox might be perfect!


I couldn't agree with you more! But, as I stated above I don't think that the Equinox is going to be disastorous either.

I should have added that I also drove another friends GMC Terrain 4 cyl(the Chevy's sibling) and it too was a nice piece of work. It should be, it's the same vehicle with a bit more edgey body work!

Although GMC's repair history seems to be worst than Chevrolet's


The only thing with the 2011 model year Equinox/Terrains that i know really, is the 2.4L had a few problems with the VVT Camshaft Actuators, solenoids. There is fix out for it, but GM seems to be eager to just replace the vehicle with a 2012 at no charge. The 2012 doesn't appear to suffer from the same problem. But then, Toyota had the same problem with THEIR 4 cylinder, so you can't just point at it and say "SEE!? GM IS UNRELIABLE!"



They're all unreliable until they prove themselves otherwise. Too bad we can't find out in advance.

That's another reason I prefer to lease.

My Chevy Astro has been the most reliable vehicle I have owned in many years. That is why I bought it insted of trading it in. That is why I own it to this day.

When it proves to be unreliable and expensive to maintain, it's gone.

I hope the CR-V that replaced my unreliable GM proves to be as reliable as everyone says. If not, it will be gone too. Might replace it with a GM. Won't know until the time comes.

GM has a long way to go to earn my loyality back.
 
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Perhaps I misread this statement....

"You place handling (which can be a safety issue), reliability, and resale value in the backseat to "almost all other aspects". Your money, your life, do what you want."

But the your money, your life does mesh nicely with "safety issues, reliability and reliability" and me placing them in the backseat,,,which if that was what meant...then you did also.


My apologies if I did misinterpret...but...clearly I do not place these in the backseat. I bought an RDX specifically for these things. In retrospect though, i bought them for ME, and not my wife.

The Acura is special in the handling department...at the expense of ride. But the Chevrolet is adequate handling and safe. Doesn't handle well enough for me...but then again it is the wife's car and I when I drive it we're going on a trip (not the time for hard cornering).


No problem.

Like I said, if the CR-V is as reliable as touted, an Acura may very well be in my future. I'd like a vehicle with some more luxury items.

It will be a big-time upgrade over the Astro van with the crank windows and manual locks.
 
Haha....like a Pinto to a Porsche.

On the luxury side...I think the RDX falls short. I can hear way too much blow off valve, wind noise and road noise for it to be "luxurious" and feel too many bumps. It's not bad, and it does feel substantial, just not great in that department.

If you like handling and an SUV (albeit small)...the RDX is an awesome vehicle.


MDX is next on my list for its size and handling and luxury. Although...I must say....the Buick Enclave is one fine looking SUV.
 
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Haha....like a Pinto to a Porsche.

On the luxury side...I think the RDX falls short. I can hear way too much blow off valve, wind noise and road noise for it to be "luxurious" and feel too many bumps. It's not bad, and it does feel substantial, just not great in that department.

If you like handling and an SUV (albeit small)...the RDX is an awesome vehicle.


MDX is next on my list for its size and handling and luxury. Although...I must say....the Buick Enclave is one fine looking SUV.



Friend had either 2004 or 2005 MDX and it was really really good. Fully loaded. nice SUV! Are 2004 and 2005 MDX the same?
 
The Equinox is a great vehicle. I haven't driven one yet, but I'd like to. I have read about the numb steering and the relatively lifeless handling. I think that's what makes it feel "mature". It drives like a larger more substantial car. Depending on what you're looking for, that could be a good or a bad thing.

This Edmunds comparison test seems to sum up the prevailing thinking of each of the four more popular small SUVs well (Equinox, Tucson, CR-V, RAV-4).

Toyota leads in: hauling cargo
Toyota follows in: hauling people

Honda leads in: steering feel, nimble handling
Honda follows in: poor road noise, low-end torque

Hyundai leads in: driver comfort, fun to drive
Hyundai follows in: visibility, poor ride

Chevrolet leads in: ride quality, features per dollar
Chevrolet follows in: small cargo area, heavy driving feeling

To be sure, what you're looking for in a small SUV will depend on which one you think best matches your lifestyle. I wish we could get away from "this car sucks, that car is a joke". Those types of comments aren't productive to any conversation. They're personal opinions, and everyone has a right to them, but the conversation would be more positive and productive if folks would recognize where each vehicles' strengths are and suggest the appropriate vehicle for the priorities desired.
 
Originally Posted By: 45ACP
Friend had either 2004 or 2005 MDX and it was really really good. Fully loaded. nice SUV! Are 2004 and 2005 MDX the same?


Yes. For the most part, the 2004-2006 MDX is the same vehicle. 2003 and prior have multi-reflector headlamp housings (2004+ has projectors), 2003 and prior has a dual-tip single exhaust muffler (2004+ has dual mufflers), 2003 and 2004 have slightly different rear taillamps.

We love our MDX. It's a great vehicle. It's darn heavy (4500#), but drives like it's 1000# lighter. We came into that MDX from a FWD minivan (similar curb weight) and the difference in driving dynamics was quite remarkable. I like the chassis tuning a lot on the MDX.
 
And back to the instrument clusters that simple vehicles have (IE not a $40k vehicle) here is one shot from my ex Subaru 2007 Outback. Notice no glare and simple to read. (esp with the sun coming onto the cluster and flash photo taken while going down the road)
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Without the flash its perfect. The background is not that bright.

Is this perfect? Nothing is but much better than the GM ones I've seen in this post and what I've seen in person.

And a MILLION times better than the joke Sonic display IMO!

Bill
 
I agree car manufacturers notoriously show useless interior photos. They'll take a photo of a button or cloth stitching or a door handle but they won't show you overall pictures. This is an example of what a car buyer should see...

Driver cockpit

Dash Shot
 
Originally Posted By: GMFan
I agree car manufacturers notoriously show useless interior photos. They'll take a photo of a button or cloth stitching or a door handle but they won't show you overall pictures. This is an example of what a car buyer should see...

Driver cockpit

Dash Shot


SOME mfg do it right and others do it poorly.

The links I posted above show the CORRECT way to do it. Chevy did it poorly.
 
C'mon man, that dash is sweet!

I know this is an Equinox hugfest thread but since it's a Ford dash, it should still meet your approval!

It's got everything you need, easy to read, great layout. I think it's the best dash posted yet!

Edit to add: That dash is 33 years old. Look at how clean. 33 years from now, no one will even have heard the name Equinox let alone still be driving one!
 
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