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"Hp/L has nothing to do with performance. If anything, a motor with a lower specific output will generally last longer (and if NA, have a broader powerband) than a smaller engine making the same power. If the car-buying public were more knowlegable, companies would be advertising the power/weight ratios of their engines and not the specific output. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not knocking people for wanting the most power out of whatever car they have, or anything like that. Touting specific output as if a higher specific output somehow makes a car faster is a waste of time and just plain dumb."

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I never suggested that a manufacturer put such an engine in a car, it would be a large mistake. Nor did I ever state that hp/w ratio was not the way to go, My car is 2900 lbs wet, and I can easily drop another 450 if I decide to take it off the street. If I decided to mount the GT35R (I use it bcuase it would still give me 4500 rpms above peak torque) and stripped the weight then the HP/W ratio would drop to 1/3.5 or so this is seriously uncontrollable even with the serious advantage of AWD. I said that if it were used on the track the Audi would be the faster car. Also I did not realize the LS7 was not a production engine (I dont speaka de chebby). If you are running hard on a road track I would still stiffen the block, do pistons and rods, girdle and dry sump it, because I know how hard it is to keep one alive on the track. Perhaps that is the difference of opinion we have, I build all engines to endurance specs. See if you can find out how much the Lemans chebby teams spend on an engine. If you are comparing an engine to mine, this is what you need to compare.

So peace Bro, we are saying the same things. I just feel that the turbo cars are more than the equivalent of any pushrod V8. And as you know opinions are like assh*les, everyone has one. Please understand I have some experience with both and this is simply what I have grown to beleive.
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The C6 Z06s (LS7 engine) come from the factory with a dry sump system, as well as other "endurance build" strenghteners. I've seen videos of a stock (save for Hoosier Rwhatevers) one TOTALLY humiliating a heavily modded, high power (at least as much as you're putting down) Evo 9 on a road course.
What have you done to your drivetrain to enable it to handle 3x the power per corner it was designed/engineered to stock??
I'm glad you clarified the Supra thing. I was starting to get worried you were one of those that really believed they can last forever at 50psi+/>1000rwhp levels on the stock bottom end/internals (some idiots even think this is possible on 91 octane pump gas)!!!
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That kind of cr@p belief is best left to rice-a-jabronis playing their "telephone game" bench racing (or their "Gran Tourismo").i.e.; "oh yeah, that MKIV is pushin' 60# of boost through a big single on pump gas with a stock head cams and bottom end. He dynoed 1600 at the wheels, runs 7s on street tires with the stock drivetrain, full interior with 250# worth of stereo equipment and the ac on!!!"
OK kid, I have this here real pretty bridge not too far from where I am, it's a bargain, really.
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I said that if it were used on the track the Audi would be the faster car. Also I did not realize the LS7 was not a production engine (I dont speaka de chebby). If you are running hard on a road track I would still stiffen the block, do pistons and rods, girdle and dry sump it, because I know how hard it is to keep one alive on the track. Perhaps that is the difference of opinion we have, I build all engines to endurance specs. See if you can find out how much the Lemans chebby teams spend on an engine. If you are comparing an engine to mine, this is what you need to compare.

click the link I posted. The LS7 is the engine in the current generation Corvette Z06. It is also sold as a crate engine through GM and can relatively easily be dropped in anything that will take an LS1 (last generation base Corvette, Trans Am, and Camaro engine). It comes with forged main caps, a forged 4140 chromium molybdenum steel crank, titanium rods, and sodium filled valves, among other things. Your air of condesention toward "chebby" doesn't make you seem very credible.
 
What have you done to your drivetrain to enable it to handle 3x the power per corner it was designed/engineered to stock??"

Rs2 Porsche designed 6 speed, built by Kluge who did all the 1000hp 80/90's quattro trannys. Audi race axles, Hummer torsen center, LSD front rear built to last. Everything as strong as can be done or found. This isnt a kids effort, I have been doing Audi's with a lot of advice from people very close to the Audi racing stuff. It is the best they make. I understand why you may have assumed that I was just blowing smoke as 99.9% do, but this is a very serious effort, and I have put a great deal of engineering and hard work and cubic dollars into doing it. It is truly one of a kind and one of the most serious Audi's I am aware of. Long ago I got very tired of building very stong engines just to create smoke and slides on a track, then I found Audis and a way to hook serious power. But 1000hp is not anything for a road track unless you can create very serious downforce on both ends of the car. I too hear a lot of bench racing, but thats not hat I try to do. I am sure there are many cars much faster, but it is a challenge to do one when there arent many guidelines. Supras will last to about 650 700 hp for awhile tho, one of the best blocks I have seen from anywhere.
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Originally posted by s4audinut:
Everything as strong as can be done or found. This isnt a kids effort, I have been doing Audi's with a lot of advice from people very close to the Audi racing stuff. It is the best they make. I understand why you may have assumed that I was just blowing smoke as 99.9% do, but this is a very serious effort, and I have put a great deal of engineering and hard work and cubic dollars into doing it. It is truly one of a kind and one of the most serious Audi's I am aware of.

Nah, I did not doubt you, I was just curious, because as you said it is somewhat an "unexplored territory" (that much power through an Audi drivetrain). I knew you had to have done some major strenghtening, otherwise you would not even get a few miles, even on street tires, with those outputs!! You certainly seem to have done your homework and "done it RIGHT"! BTW; I was always in awe of the insanity of the Quattro Sport Group B rally cars.
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I was always in awe of the insanity of the Qattro Sport Group B rally cars.

As is anyone who admires and knows cars. Equally impressive are their road race efforts in the early 90's with 650hp in race trim and 750 qualifying output. I really like the AWD on the track, nothing comes out of a corner like a quattro. And with a little hp, the straights get the benefit of coming out so hard.
Enjoyed talking with you.
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Originally posted by ScottB:
I love this place.
You rednecks get all bent when someone bags on your beloved, dark-ages GM/Ford/Chrysler, but you have the nerve to start and keep a "rice" thread going?
Too funny, but much more sad.

You lose all credibility here participating in this crap.
I can show you 10 pictures of redneck heaps for every "ricer" pic.
Anyone for a can or neon-orange spray paint for your pumpkins?


I'm not a basher, but as an owner of a SCION, this B-S is not needed here.

Stop already.

Scott


I love it!
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Won't be long until we hear a country-style song on the radio about this here thread, y'all.

Yeeeeeee Hawwwwwww!!!!!!!!!

Think I'll mosey out to my Chebby pick-em-up truck and ponder the intricacies of installing a warp drive..... I'kk be showin' you ricer boys what a man's truck can do when capable of warp 9.

You betcha', boy howdy.
 
Captain, you've violated the prime directive!!
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Truth be told, serious race cars have their engines pretty much redone.. yearly, at a minimum. (at least most do). They send a few blocks out to the like of Cosworth, and get em done.

Anything less than that, is not on the pro circult- that or you certainly have a lot of faith in your engine!

I havent done the math, but I thought the highest power output per cylinder vs weight was the motor out of the s2000. The vett might just be better, but I am not certain.

How to get 1000 hp to the ground...
 
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Originally posted by obbop:
Won't be long until we hear a country-style song on the radio about this here thread, y'all.

Yeeeeeee Hawwwwwww!!!!!!!!!

Think I'll mosey out to my Chebby pick-em-up truck and ponder the intricacies of installing a warp drive..... I'kk be showin' you ricer boys what a man's truck can do when capable of warp 9.

You betcha', boy howdy.


A school lesson for all you LICERS

After spending 3 days on the net searching for a true scientific name for you ridge runners out there I can't believe I finally found it in a Harvard University 10 year study!!
For all of you boys who got past the 3rd grade you remember your sciieenncz class study of animal classification?
Phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species.

Well, here it is:

Hillus, Billus, Americanus, Disgustus, Revoltus, GM-Ford-Chrysler Moronus!

Hey, it works for me!!
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