GM goes Rice

ScottB · Apr 8, 2006

Speaking of idiots...
I will defend us "ricers" here (again, I've owned some of the greatest American Iron too) because when I'm on one of my sportbikes, it's almost always some tool in a Mustang or Impala that tries - TRIES to race me on my bike.
I can tell you from experience that they lose every time.
Now that's just funny.
So, it's not just "ricers" that are clueless in that vain.
Why can't car/moto heads all just agree to live and let live and appreciate that we all have the same basic interests at heart?

Scott

NovaMan · Apr 8, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by JHZR2:
Id have to say that it is almost genius that so much power can be squeezed out of something designed for 100 hp... as opposed to a big v8 or similar.

JMH

Ever check out some of these VW Beetle engines that put out 1-2 orders of magnitude more power than they were originally designed to handle? It's pretty insane (and cool).

JHZR2 · Apr 8, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by Nick29:
My thoughts exactly. I'm much more impressed by someone who can drive whatever car they happen to be driving as fast as it's capable of going than someone who ordered some parts from a catalog and runs at a moderate pace for the vehicle, regardless of what motorsport you're talking about.

The level of ignorance in this thread is astounding, especially for a site that has so much intelligent technical info elsewhere.

Yes, but some cars are better suited for speed at the start than others...

No matter how many mods you put on it, a Honda civic is going to inherently be less suited for driving at speed and in an aggressive way, than say, a corvette.

But guess what? mods or no mods, the ricer crowd will push the car to its limit. This becomes a safety issue. No more or less than if a big v8 driver does, except that the v8 car will likely be better desgned to handle the conditions, even without modifications.

One vehicle is better suited for the track, if it is well designed and implemented... and the other can be used more reliably everywhere.

Lets face it, the stereotype of ricer drivers NOT driving well or safely didnt just pop up because people dont like the stickers on the cars or how they dress, act, etc... Its because they dont drive well or safely, and do push their cars too close to the limits in everyday use. This causes a lot of the hatered towards them.

I stand by my statement that there is genius in getting 400+ hp out of a civic, acur, etc. designed for little over 100. However, there definitely are tiers in the ricer crowd... the posers cause the hatred... the guys who actually CAN build a car that handles and performs like the stickers and paint job indicate... is a rare find. Those folks deserve respect... the ones with excessive vinyls, big wings, loud exhausts and an intake, sporting a net loss of 2 hp over stock, but thinking that the 'mods' give a net gain of 100 hp and 2 second drop on their quarter mile... and drive accordingly... are the ones that are a danger to all.

JMH

Pook · Apr 9, 2006

this is an odd topic that people seem to fume about a lot.

Most GM/Ford cars are not built in america. the vast majority of its parts/labor is outsourced outside of the U.S.

Whereas, Toyota/honda/BMW acutally builds a large percentage of their vehicles here in the U.S. (BMW builds the X5, and Z3/z4's in U.S.).

So what is "american iron"?

The point of that whole thing is, there is no point to dispute the heratage of each particular item anymore. The origins arent wholely from one place or another; the employees, are the same as well.

Ricers are morons- plain and simple. That includes the huge wing on the Neon, the nasty body kit on the cavilier, and other umentionables.

But lets not be prejudicial. I feel that there is a lot of moronicness in the U.S.... Such as:

Truck ****. People acutally buy this.
A wing on a cavilier.
straight pipes- jeeze, why!
Vertical stacks! Disgusting!

the whole back of your pickup window covered with the following stickers:
JEGS, Summit Racing , WELD wheels, MSD ignitions, FLOWMASTERS, etc.

I think thats pretty cheezy. But thats me.

depending on what kinda racing you do, I'd rather have a light weight 200hp aluminum 4 cylinder, than a heavy weight BBC weighing 500 lbs.

Sure, Anyone can build a fast v8- but can you make the same car handle?

brianl703 · Apr 9, 2006

Yes, you can make the same car handle. In fact it's probably best to start the upgrades there.

Pook · Apr 9, 2006

Yes, but handling is a tricky word in of itself. Neon ACR's used to be able to run circles around vettes in autocross- But would get spanked in open track. Its not that the neon was faster,its just a smaller car, and more nimble in that type of environment.

And as much as I love mustangs (I have one), the prior two generations have left much to be desired in chassie stiffness, body roll, braking...

Ricers dont bother me too much- I just classify them with the usual annoying people. The same type of people who blare their radios for the world to hear, the bananna who tools his harley with straight pipes and blows your ear drums... And the **** can ricers who have done nothing except throw on a muffler.

In short, I dont think Ricers is a good word- it tends to make people believe that only cars from across the pacific can fit. Where as I've seen totally disgusting american trucks, cars, subcompacts... im gonna go throw some wiper lights on my car right now.

ScottB · Apr 9, 2006

Good ending to this stupid topic, Pook!

Scott

brianl703 · Apr 10, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by ScottB:
when I'm on one of my sportbikes, it's almost always some tool in a Mustang or Impala that tries - TRIES to race me on my bike.
I can tell you from experience that they lose every time.
Now that's just funny.

I've seen plenty of tools on sportbikes doing things like passing on a double-yellow (on a blind curve, no less) and weaving in and out of traffic.

The passing on double yellow is really not funny, especially when I'm in the oncoming car.

brianl703 · Apr 10, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by Pook:
the prior two generations have left much to be desired in chassie stiffness, body roll, braking...

That must be why there are a lot of aftermarket products for the Mustang to address those problems.

ScottB · Apr 10, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by brianl703:

quote:

Originally posted by ScottB:
when I'm on one of my sportbikes, it's almost always some tool in a Mustang or Impala that tries - TRIES to race me on my bike.
I can tell you from experience that they lose every time.
Now that's just funny.

Click to expand...

I've seen plenty of tools on sportbikes doing things like passing on a double-yellow (on a blind curve, no less) and weaving in and out of traffic.

The passing on double yellow is really not funny, especially when I'm in the oncoming car.

And we all know that nobody on a H-D with straight-pipes does dumb things, right?

brianl703 · Apr 10, 2006

If you consider driving 10MPH under the limit on a two-lane road with 10 cars behind you dumb..

dailydriver · Apr 10, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by Pook:
Most GM/Ford cars are not built in america. the vast majority of its parts/labor is outsourced outside of the U.S.

Whereas, Toyota/honda/BMW acutally builds a large percentage of their vehicles here in the U.S. (BMW builds the X5, and Z3/z4's in U.S.).

Oh, so they do this out of the kindness of their hearts and concern for American citizens??

GM/Ford et al were forced to "outsource" due to the risk taken (which has payed off in spades) by the Nippon majors ( especially TOYota) by their dumping of product at a short term loss to gain market share (and, yes, the poor quality/function/whatever of the U.S. majors had a hand in this also). They had NO CHOICE in order to stay alive and compete at all. The Nippons effectively forced their hands.

Now that the American majors are making comparable (in some cases even, better) product, how does the lemming/herd mentality U. S. populace "reward" them? By buying more Nippon company product (for waaayyy more $$ BTW) than ever before. The "Japanese perfection" myth just self perpetuates, despite the gap being small, if not non-existant, presently.

quote:

Sure, Anyone can build a fast v8- but can you make the same car handle?

Mine does just fine, thank you. Despite running low-mid 12s at 115 mph, I will handle (or kill), most any Nippon "twisties machine" (street legal, of course), on same compound tires, on anything bigger than a stupidly tight autocross course or go kart track. C5/C6 Vettes can kick their azzes even in those situations (as well as run low 11s at 120+ mph).

labman · Apr 11, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by Pook:
this is an odd topic that people seem to fume about a lot.

Most GM/Ford cars are not built in america. the vast majority of its parts/labor is outsourced outside of the U.S.

Whereas, Toyota/honda/BMW acutally builds a large percentage of their vehicles here in the U.S. (BMW builds the X5, and Z3/z4's in U.S.).
snip....

Where did you get that nonsense? GM had an average of 85% domestic content in 2005. Best import was Honda at 49%.

ScottB · Apr 12, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by dailydriver:

quote:

Originally posted by Pook:
Most GM/Ford cars are not built in america. the vast majority of its parts/labor is outsourced outside of the U.S.

Whereas, Toyota/honda/BMW acutally builds a large percentage of their vehicles here in the U.S. (BMW builds the X5, and Z3/z4's in U.S.).

Click to expand...

Oh, so they do this out of the kindness of their hearts and concern for American citizens??

GM/Ford et al were forced to "outsource" due to the risk taken (which has payed off in spades) by the Nippon majors ( especially TOYota) by their dumping of product at a short term loss to gain market share (and, yes, the poor quality/function/whatever of the U.S. majors had a hand in this also). They had NO CHOICE in order to stay alive and compete at all. The Nippons effectively forced their hands.

Now that the American majors are making comparable (in some cases even, better) product, how does the lemming/herd mentality U. S. populace "reward" them? By buying more Nippon company product (for waaayyy more $$ BTW) than ever before. The "Japanese perfection" myth just self perpetuates, despite the gap being small, if not non-existant, presently.

quote:

Sure, Anyone can build a fast v8- but can you make the same car handle?

Click to expand...

Mine does just fine, thank you. Despite running low-mid 12s at 115 mph, I will handle (or kill), most any Nippon "twisties machine" (street legal, of course), on same compound tires, on anything bigger than a stupidly tight autocross course or go kart track. C5/C6 Vettes can kick their azzes even in those situations (as well as run low 11s at 120+ mph).

Wow.
Bitter, party of one...

VNT · Apr 12, 2006

Sorry

It shows a Civic with Home Depot Sink plumbing added to the exhaust, sticks out about 2 feet behind the car LOL. One of the most bizarre things I have ever scene. Note also it isnt a scripted/photo chopped picture either.

quote:

Originally posted by NovaMan:
Looks like you have to be logged in to see it.

ScottB · Apr 13, 2006

And we all know there's no American Iron out there that looks just as stupid - right?
Are we going to keep pounding on this juvenile topic or move on?

Scott

dailydriver · Apr 13, 2006

quote:

Originally posted by ScottB:
And we all know there's no American Iron out there that looks just as stupid - right?
Are we going to keep pounding on this juvenile topic or move on?

Scott

But it's perfectly OK for you and (most) others on this site (and other sites) to keep "pounding" on ALL American company's products ( even the great ones), huh?

BTW; concerning the original topic, up the power (with a good turbo system) and add a good AWD system, and I'll buy a Cobalt SS yesterday!! Then I will procede to kick Nipponphile *** with it!!!

NovaMan · Apr 13, 2006

I can't figure out why so few new cars are available turbocharged. It's practically free horsepower and torque!

Nick29 · Apr 13, 2006

quote:

concerning the original topic, up the power (with a good turbo system) and add a good AWD system, and I'll buy a Cobalt SS yesterday!!

so, you want a Chevy STi?

ScottB · Apr 13, 2006

daliydriver:

You are wrong, sir. I never slammed a US car.
I HAVE slammed US automakers for their abysmal business practices and yes, sometimes, subpar products.

Don't take constructive criticism for "pounding"
I hate all bashing.
The reason I finally signed up here was that it appeared to be NOT one of those childish sites that I have to put up with for some good info.

In the end, it's always a slam from what mostly sound like old, out of touch, racists.

Scott

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