Genesis coupe track day fluid questions
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I thought that oval tracks would also prohibit anti-freeze. They have lots of crashes on short tracks, and coolant spills are frequent.
They probably do; I only picked a handful of results.
Regardless of the track rules it's still a bad idea to run coolant out of respect for other racers.
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I've run NASA HPDE's, and nobody ever asked me about my coolant.
Enforcement appears to be very spotty.
I thought that oval tracks would also prohibit anti-freeze. They have lots of crashes on short tracks, and coolant spills are frequent.
They probably do; I only picked a handful of results.
Regardless of the track rules it's still a bad idea to run coolant out of respect for other racers.
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I've run NASA HPDE's, and nobody ever asked me about my coolant.
Enforcement appears to be very spotty.
First of all, NASA does not regulate all HPDEs. Not even most of them. Second, you're quoting rules for COMPETITION vehicles. HPDE vehicles don't fall into that category. There are other sections of the NASA rules that cover HPDE vehicles.
I run RO water and Water Wetter in my Miata. It's street legal but it really only sees the track. This will cool better and it is friendlier to fellow drivers in the event that I do dump oil. I recently had a big off because a Porsche in front of me dumped coolant; fortunately it was a relatively safe place to go off and no harm was done.
I run M1 0W40 oil, because, well, because. It wouldn't be a bad choice for anyone on the track, IMHO.
robert
I run RO water and Water Wetter in my Miata. It's street legal but it really only sees the track. This will cool better and it is friendlier to fellow drivers in the event that I do dump oil. I recently had a big off because a Porsche in front of me dumped coolant; fortunately it was a relatively safe place to go off and no harm was done.
I run M1 0W40 oil, because, well, because. It wouldn't be a bad choice for anyone on the track, IMHO.
robert
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If you're solely using the vehicle to track, I'd spend the extra bit of money and go for the Motul 300V series. I've had great success with it on the track and has been recommended by many on the Porsche. As far as transmission and coolant goes, unless you have reason to think that your transmission fluid is burnt or the car has racked in a lot of miles, I'd leave it. Same applies for the coolant. IF you want to change it anyway, (http://www.lufteknic.com/Merchant2/merch...Code=lubricants) I'd recommend Mobil 1 Delvac. I don't know if it applies to your vehicle, but this too was well received by vehicles I've tracked.
I'd worry about your brake fluid before anything else though. Depending on whats in there, I'd swap it out with some RBF660. Probably one of the more important fluids to swap out. Normally I'd recommend Castrol but that sucker is way to expensive to keep swapping out after an long event. ATE Super Blue works well as well. Motul in my opinion is a little better in fade resistance but it does make it super convenient to see the color changes when bleeding brakes with fresh fluid.
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HPDE events (in my area anyway that is enforced by NASA) do not require you to drain your coolant. Never been an issue. Haven't had this issue at Poconos or NJMP either. Just saying.
I'd worry about your brake fluid before anything else though. Depending on whats in there, I'd swap it out with some RBF660. Probably one of the more important fluids to swap out. Normally I'd recommend Castrol but that sucker is way to expensive to keep swapping out after an long event. ATE Super Blue works well as well. Motul in my opinion is a little better in fade resistance but it does make it super convenient to see the color changes when bleeding brakes with fresh fluid.
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HPDE events (in my area anyway that is enforced by NASA) do not require you to drain your coolant. Never been an issue. Haven't had this issue at Poconos or NJMP either. Just saying.
Originally Posted By: robertcope
you're quoting rules for COMPETITION vehicles. HPDE vehicles don't fall into that category. There are other sections of the NASA rules that cover HPDE vehicles.
Plenty of other NASA rules prohibit Ethylene glycol-based antifreeze, for example:
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/944_spec_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/american_iron_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Camaro-Mustang-Challenge.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec3_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec30_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec_miata_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec_z.pdf
Several others simply reference the NASA CCR as quoted above, such as http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Super-Touring.pdf which specifically says "All of the rules listed in the NASA CCR Sections 15 and 18 will apply, except, the following
rules will supercede those in the CCR..." and then goes on to not supersede section 15.18. http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/986_boxster.pdf has similar verbiage to reference the entirety of the NASA CCR and only lists specific instances where the 986 Boxster rules are more stringent.
Originally Posted By: robertcope
I run RO water and Water Wetter in my Miata. It's street legal but it really only sees the track. This will cool better and it is friendlier to fellow drivers in the event that I do dump oil. I recently had a big off because a Porsche in front of me dumped coolant; fortunately it was a relatively safe place to go off and no harm was done.
This was more my point than those howling about antifreeze not being against the rules (despite ample evidence to the contrary) or that they've never had it checked. RO/distilled water and RL Water Wetter / RP Purple Ice* / what-have-you are good ideas because 1. they cool better and 2. it's a far better idea for ALL tracked cars due to the astoundingly dangerous situation they cause IF and WHEN they are spilled**.
*Interesting that Royal Purple Speedway doesn't list Purple Ice by name while the majority of rules I looked at do mention Red Line's Water Wetter by name. Conspiracy!
**This is not just my opinion nor those of the links I've posted; information abounds.
you're quoting rules for COMPETITION vehicles. HPDE vehicles don't fall into that category. There are other sections of the NASA rules that cover HPDE vehicles.
Plenty of other NASA rules prohibit Ethylene glycol-based antifreeze, for example:
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/944_spec_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/american_iron_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Camaro-Mustang-Challenge.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec3_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec30_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec_miata_rules.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/spec_z.pdf
Several others simply reference the NASA CCR as quoted above, such as http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Super-Touring.pdf which specifically says "All of the rules listed in the NASA CCR Sections 15 and 18 will apply, except, the following
rules will supercede those in the CCR..." and then goes on to not supersede section 15.18. http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/986_boxster.pdf has similar verbiage to reference the entirety of the NASA CCR and only lists specific instances where the 986 Boxster rules are more stringent.
Originally Posted By: robertcope
I run RO water and Water Wetter in my Miata. It's street legal but it really only sees the track. This will cool better and it is friendlier to fellow drivers in the event that I do dump oil. I recently had a big off because a Porsche in front of me dumped coolant; fortunately it was a relatively safe place to go off and no harm was done.
This was more my point than those howling about antifreeze not being against the rules (despite ample evidence to the contrary) or that they've never had it checked. RO/distilled water and RL Water Wetter / RP Purple Ice* / what-have-you are good ideas because 1. they cool better and 2. it's a far better idea for ALL tracked cars due to the astoundingly dangerous situation they cause IF and WHEN they are spilled**.
*Interesting that Royal Purple Speedway doesn't list Purple Ice by name while the majority of rules I looked at do mention Red Line's Water Wetter by name. Conspiracy!
**This is not just my opinion nor those of the links I've posted; information abounds.
I thought so. Race vehicles only.
Thanks for posting!
Thanks for posting!
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I thought so. Race vehicles only.
Thanks for posting!
You asked; I provided sources.
If you want to ignore the forest and focus on the trees, it makes me glad I'm not on the track with you. There's probably 100 'track day' or 'street car' rules that also ban glycol coolant - motorcycle track day rules are especially prohibitive of it.
I sincerely hope no one gets hurt because of anyone else's insistence on running ethylene glycol coolant.
I thought so. Race vehicles only.
Thanks for posting!
You asked; I provided sources.
I sincerely hope no one gets hurt because of anyone else's insistence on running ethylene glycol coolant.
You quoted a bunch more competition rules that have nothing to do with the HPDE rules. It looks educated to the uneducated, I guess.
Unless the organization you're planning to run with tells you otherwise, you're fine running your normal coolant at a DE event in the same way that you're fine running your three point seat belts and without a head-and-neck device.
EDIT: Here's a recent thread from the NASA forums that discusses this: http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=55748&p=353017
And again, to be clear, NASA only makes the rules for NASA. Other orgs will have their own rules!
robert
Unless the organization you're planning to run with tells you otherwise, you're fine running your normal coolant at a DE event in the same way that you're fine running your three point seat belts and without a head-and-neck device.
EDIT: Here's a recent thread from the NASA forums that discusses this: http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=55748&p=353017
And again, to be clear, NASA only makes the rules for NASA. Other orgs will have their own rules!
robert
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I thought so. Race vehicles only.
Thanks for posting!
You asked; I provided sources.
If you want to ignore the forest and focus on the trees, it makes me glad I'm not on the track with you. There's probably 100 'track day' or 'street car' rules that also ban glycol coolant - motorcycle track day rules are especially prohibitive of it.
I sincerely hope no one gets hurt because of anyone else's insistence on running ethylene glycol coolant.
You may have misunderstood me. I have attended a lot of events across many years. In many different kinds of street cars. And NEVER heard of this.
I meant what I said. Thanks.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I thought so. Race vehicles only.
Thanks for posting!
You asked; I provided sources.
I sincerely hope no one gets hurt because of anyone else's insistence on running ethylene glycol coolant.
You may have misunderstood me. I have attended a lot of events across many years. In many different kinds of street cars. And NEVER heard of this.
I meant what I said. Thanks.
Went with
Rotella t syn blend 10w-30
Pennzoil Synchromesh
30% coolant and 70% distilled water.
Rotella t syn blend 10w-30
Pennzoil Synchromesh
30% coolant and 70% distilled water.
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What about... brakes? I don't know why people overlook brakes on the track. Once your brakes start to fade, it doesn't matter what you have in the engine, you won't be able to push the car hard enough for it to matter.
14" rotors in the front
12" rotors int he rear
Brembo 4 pots all the way around, 1B caliper in the front, 1A caliper in the rear.
ATE Stupid blue brake fluid.
Not a newb when it comes to brakes.
12" rotors int he rear
Brembo 4 pots all the way around, 1B caliper in the front, 1A caliper in the rear.
ATE Stupid blue brake fluid.
Not a newb when it comes to brakes.
I have had to drain my antifreeze at summit point (at midnight) and roebling road to pass tech. I have been warned of fines at homestead and VIR, but they didn't check. Moroso (PBIR) and Sebring (old track) didn't even mention it.
I think it depends a lot on who is running the track day. Typically we just have a group of guys with licenses that chip in and rent the track. On those days, no one cares.
If someone drops antifreeze on the track, there will be a lot of unhappy people. I have had the pleasure of going off the track due to someone dumping water and oil in front of me mid-corner, luckily no damage was done other than ripping off a fender plastic piece.
Anyway, have fun out there and be careful. Brakes are what usually spoil my fun, luckily you've got that covered.
I think it depends a lot on who is running the track day. Typically we just have a group of guys with licenses that chip in and rent the track. On those days, no one cares.
If someone drops antifreeze on the track, there will be a lot of unhappy people. I have had the pleasure of going off the track due to someone dumping water and oil in front of me mid-corner, luckily no damage was done other than ripping off a fender plastic piece.
Anyway, have fun out there and be careful. Brakes are what usually spoil my fun, luckily you've got that covered.
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ATE Stupid blue brake fluid.
Is that what they call it on the site now?
ATE Stupid blue brake fluid.
Is that what they call it on the site now?
Well... it is SUPER blue, to the point it's stupid.
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Meh. I like the way they did it. The fact that you can tell when to stop bleeding the brakes makes it super convenient.
Yeah that's true, switch between amber and blue to find out when to stop bleeding. But typically it takes me 3/4 a can to bleed all four, so no matter what you're going to use a can.
MT90 worked its magic. I'm happy with it.
Good topic. Sorry to revive it
The track day group I run w/have no engine coolant spec as well
Would like to see your track day Hyundai. Post a pic!
Joe/ So.Cal
The track day group I run w/have no engine coolant spec as well
Would like to see your track day Hyundai. Post a pic!
Joe/ So.Cal
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