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I LOVE that kind of stuff.

Aviation has always had some of the most bizarre and powerful engines with outrageous designs!

Thanks for posting.
 
Of all the amazing facts about Dreadnought and the P&W R-4360, the one that still just makes my jaw drop is very simple: 56 sparkplugs!

There's also an article published a few years ago interviewing one of the Sanders brothers about how reliable Dreadnought is. He describes going to an air race/exhibition along with a racing P-51 Mustang ('Strega' owned by Bill Destefani). He took a mechanic and a toolbag in the second seat, Strega took a support tractor/trailer with spare engines and a crew of 5. After the first day of racing, Dreadnought's crew checked the oil screens and had margaritas. Strega's team changed a cylinder bank. After the second day of racing, they checked some plugs and had more margaritas, and Strega's team changed the other cylinder bank. Strega won the race and lost money. Dreadnought made a profit...
 
You'd enjoy the recently built Air & Space Museum outside of Washinton DC where there a number of WWII era piston aircraft engines on display, including some prototypes that never made it to production because the war ended.

One of them is something like a 36 piston engine - 6 radial banks of 4 cylinders. It was part of Nazi Germany's plan to build superfortresses to fly over the Altantic and bomb US targets.
 
Heck I just go to the Navy museum in Pensacola, FL.

They have some engines down one side of the place from a Wright Bros. style all the way up to modern day turbines.

I saw helicopter engines with pistons and exhaust driven turbines that went back into the output shaft!!! Totally bizarre and brave men flew these things.
 
We had 3 of the remaining 9 P-47 Thunderbolts in town over the weekend. GOD, what a sound. The Pratt R2800 has got to be the best sounding engine ever made.

I still love the Rare Bear though. The Sea Fury is amazing because it ways almost 25% more then Rare Bear, but the Bear is like a Chevette with an 800 cubic inch engine!
 
Drew, I don't think the P&R was a sleeve valve design.
By that time, sodium filled valves were available and the sleeve complexity was no longer necessary.

We get to hear those Corn cob engines almost every year when the Martin Mars water bombers are in use. They have a bunch of new engines in store, that were bought for their scrap value price!!
Too expensive to work on, they just bolt on a new one.

http://www.martinmars.com/
 
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I wasn't implying it was! I just showed that other engine with the sleeve valves.


Sorry, I was just doubting myself for a while there.
The sleeve valve engines were truly amazing. The Napier Lion engine in the Sea Fury was even able to offer some resistance to the MIG jets in Korea. They produced about similar (or more) HP as the P&W Corn cob, but with about half the cc's
 
Originally Posted By: expat
Arrrh......Not the Lion, I mean the Sabre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Sabre


The sabre was an unbelievable engine- but it went into the Hawker Tempest primarily. Napier never got the sleeve valves right- seeing as how there was a war on, the British government stepped in and asked Bristol to share their successful sleeve-valve metallurgy and design with Napier in order to get the sabre running. Bristol basically did the sleeve valve part of that engine, IIRC. It was still never as reliable in service as it should have been. The Bristol Centaurus, on the other hand, was very reliable, and is what the Sea Fury was built with (primarily). The racing sea furies have all been re-engined with Wright 3350s, but they're not the most reliable either and the owners of Dreadnought are working on a package to install the P&W R-2800 instead.
 
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"The racing sea furies have all been re-engined with Wright 3350s"

I did notice that, my guess was availability of parts?

See my other post about the Crecy, now that would be something to take to the Races!
 
Originally Posted By: expat
"The racing sea furies have all been re-engined with Wright 3350s"

I did notice that, my guess was availability of parts?



I should have actually noted that there are TWO (Dreadnought and Furias) that use the P&W 4360.

In talking to a few guys in the sport and reading articles about the sport, it seems that the Centaurus is probably more reliable dead-stock than a 3350. But when you start running it beyond recommended power or at maximum power for more than the recommended time (as they do in pylon racing), it begins to have problems with the sleeve valves seizing in the bores. It also requires more cooling airflow than a 3350, meaning more drag induced by air going through the engine rather than around the cowling. On top of that there's fact that it rotates the opposite direction (meaning that the plane flies very differently when turning left around the pylons than all the other aircraft with props that torque the plane to the left), the fact that parts are getting scarce, combined with the fact that there's only one propellor that works with it (Rotol 5-blade)... it just doesn't make sense for racing, or even for a Sea Fury being used as a hobby/sport/show plane. Only the very "correct" restorations are using Centaurus engines now.

But 3350s are getting more scarce now, and they've always had their own reliability issues which is why the R2800 may be the next big thing in Sea Fury conversions. Stock to stock, its only has a few hundred less HP than a 3350, weighs less, and is one of the most reliable piston airplane engines over 2000 horsepower ever made:
http://www.sandersaircraft.com/restoration_seafury-r2800.asp
 
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Cool. Great link and posts!.

At the Avionics School in Carbondale, Illinois, I have stared at the wondrous complexity of a B17 engine on display [internals made viewable]. It's been 25 years or so, and I can see it in my mind right now.

I wonder why Hitler's suggestion of using Diesel engines in bombers was not pursued.
 
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