GC + Torco Magnetic Friction Reducer, 6600 miles, `96 Ford Contour 2.0L

[ExDelayed]

I know some people have been curious as to what the Torco does in a sample so I did it with my first GC run. I only used half of the bottle (~6oz.) in this sample. Driving habits have changed considerably with this sample as well. Instead of the 300 miles a week (freeway) I was doing, I am now doing 50-70 miles a week. The sample with in use from late March until mid November, it was able to see the cool spring/fall and the hot desert heat.

Blackstone was the lab of choice.

Jon: Thanks for the note about the friction reducer. We are guessing that is where the extra silicone is coming from in your oil (found, read below). We doubt its abrasive dirt escaping the air filter because wear still looks ok and shows no changes that would indicate poorly wearing (or abraded) parts. The TBN was 0.5 showing little active additive remaining in this oil. We did find some fuel dilution which is common in engines that see a lot of city driving and/or idiling. About 2.0% is the most we like to see so well keep an eye on it in the next sample.

__GC___RP___M1____Oil
Ford___M1_Fram____Filter
6620_5.6K___3K____Mileage
___4____3____5____Aluminum
___1____1____1____Chromium
__31___31___21____Iron
___9____6____4____Copper
___0____1____1____Lead
___1____1____1____Tin
_337___91___52____Moly
___0____1____1____Nickel
__11____2____7____Manganese
___0____0____0____Silver
___0____0____0____Titanium
__17____0____1____Potassium
__13____6__122____Boron
__32___37___61____Silicon
___6____6____6____Sodium
3436_1915_2817____Calcium
_108____6___13____Magnesium
1836__615__604____Phosphorus
1111__680__808____Zinc
___0____0____0____Barium

_0.5__1.5____5____TBN
63.2_57.7___61____SUS @ 210
_340__380__390____Flashpoint
_2.3__0.5__0.5____% Fuel
___0____0____0____Antifreeze
___0____0____0____Water
__.5___.4___.4____% Insolubles

I guess my lunch breaks in the car listening to the radio are needing to come to an end if I want my fuel dilution to stop. Am I correct in assuming this is why my copper wear is up? The moly wasnt as high as I was thinking it would be with what the specs on the Torco were showing. The silicon should be considerably lower in the next sample. The car went down for trans replacement when this sample was pulled. I dropped the oil pan/pump/pickup to replace the front main seal. When I looked in the pickup it was full of some of the silicon that apparently escaped the gasket when I did the oil pan gasket last year. Cleaned out the pickup and pan so all should be good next time. The Baldwin B2-HPG should help at capturing any stray pieces that were too small for me to see.

In all, I believe I should be happy for this result on what is now a 137,000 mile engine.

-Jon Miconi

EDIT: Spelling

 

[Motorbike]

There is some writing on the bottle and instructions concerning the oil filter .

I have thrown my bottle away . Can you post what it says ? The filter might be where most of the moly is at just a guess .

 

[Shadohh]

If you wanan listen to your radio in the car. Then buy a Optima deep cell. ($100-$150)

They are made for constant deep drains and powering peoples big stereos.


Then you wont have to keep the engine running while ya listen.

 

[Primus]

This UOA values except magnesium differ a lot from average (in the sense of common/usual) values we could often see last time.

.....................This ..... Max ..... Avrg ..... Range

Moly ............. 337 ........ 8 ........ 1 ......... 0-8
Calcium ....... 3436 ..... 3620 ... 2900 .... 2430-3620
Magnesium .... 108 ...... 150 ..... 100 ....... 88-150
Phosphorus .. 1836 ...... 920 ..... 780 ..... 690-920
Zinc ........... 1111 ..... 1120 ..... 880 ..... 850-1120

 

[ExDelayed]

quote:

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Originally posted by Primus:
This UOA values except magnesium differ a lot from average (in the sense of common/usual) values we could often see last time.

.....................This ..... Max ..... Avrg ..... Range

Moly ............. 337 ........ 8 ........ 1 ......... 0-8
Calcium ....... 3436 ..... 3620 ... 2900 .... 2430-3620
Magnesium .... 108 ...... 150 ..... 100 ....... 88-150
Phosphorus .. 1836 ...... 920 ..... 780 ..... 690-920
Zinc ........... 1111 ..... 1120 ..... 880 ..... 850-1120

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With the exception of the high moly, I seem to be right with GC VOAs:

Molybdenum____0
Calcium_____3631
Magnesium___104
Phosphorus___822
Zinc_________935

The Torco could, and most likely did, skew those readings:

Molybdenum__7603
Phosphorus__>9999
Zinc_________trace

The universal averages for the Zetec, for these items, per Blackstone are:

Molybdenum___58
Calcium_____2383
Magnesium___214
Phosphorus___780
Zinc_________965

Maybe I am reading your post wrong, but it seems like you are saying that having the AW agents higher is a bad thing. If they got too high and the wear numbers were higher then I could see them being bad, but I dont differ far from the averages.

Motorbike, here are the directions on my bottle:

MPZ treats 4 to 6 quarts of mineral or synthetic motor oil. For best performance allow MPZ to remain in engine 6000 to 7500 miles between oil changes. Change filter every 12,000 to 15,000 miles. See vehicle manual for exceptions.

So apparently, all the precious moly that the filter is holding has now been removed from the engine.

EDIT: Typo on GC VOA

 

[Spector]

I have the same car, well daughter, the Mystique version. With Amsoil 0w30 changed once a year with a K&N filter at 6 months my last three UOA at about 10-11,000 miles are basically the same as yours, well, cooper is better, lead the same iron slightly better, silicon much better. This additive has not done anything for your engine IMO.

 

[zoomzoom]

LC is the only additive I would use in my engine..

 

[Primus]

ExDelayed,
Sorry, but not everything is in line with other UOAs. The first UOAs only are quite similar except unbelievable amount of Moly and Phosphorus, but if to compare with average values posted last 2-3 monthes this UOA values will be higher:

Phosprorus - 100 %
Zinc - 20 %
Calcium - 18 %