If gas ever hit past 5.00 Im 100% sure our Local economy would collapse. Their is Zero public transportation and with the way the terrain and Population spacing is their isnt a use for it. Most people live 20-30 miles from work, And the majority of the workforce workes on dirt roads. So trucks are a must. People say it will change alot of people's live styles and Im sure it will, It has already changed some. Some Can't change, Thier isnt room for adjustment. At least not currently.
Gas Prices
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Yea if it ever gets 5$ a gallon for preimum I will have a 50 gallon drum of VP 100 Unleaded shipped to my house.
Sad thing is all it will do is increase and theres nothing any of us can do its not going to go down Why would they do that? To save us money? Yea right.
I am starting to think the govenment is pushing us out of gasoiline powered vehicles for the future. The future is makeing it self today and we dont realize it we just go on with or lives and do what needs to be done in order to survive.
Gasoline prices dont surprise me anymore is just a big game . Thing is we loose everytime
Sad thing is all it will do is increase and theres nothing any of us can do its not going to go down Why would they do that? To save us money? Yea right.
I am starting to think the govenment is pushing us out of gasoiline powered vehicles for the future. The future is makeing it self today and we dont realize it we just go on with or lives and do what needs to be done in order to survive.
Gasoline prices dont surprise me anymore is just a big game . Thing is we loose everytime
JHZR2
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Yep.
THing is this. Despite the record profits, WE give it to them. And, despite all the claiming that it is a game, guess what??? In the name of shopping at wal mart, rice farmers from the corners of the third world got manufacturing jobs, and now want to live a better life, where they can have the widgets that they make.
That equals "progress", unfortunately we are at the top.
When youre at the bottom, there is a whole lot more space to move up. When youre at the top, there is no place to go, so you have to compress.
We are at the top. Demand continually grows in China, India, etc. Guess what happens???
THe record profits of the oil companies could be reinvested better, to create more supply from hard to reach places, but guess what, its just prolonging the pain. They will make their pretty penny from doing that, or will not be doing it, and even if they do, and quench the excess demand now, it will catch back up.
Unfortunately we are in a loosing game here, and there is no real way to fix it. Keep using it, and paying the prices for it, or use less, and others will keep buying, keeping prices still relatively the same.
THere is no real hope, but to have sustainable feedstocks... and we all know the issues there.
CO2 scavenging, with nuclear-based F-T production (reverse WGS, SOFC electrolysis, etc) might be a hope, but it isnt that scalable yet. Coal and oil shale will last a long time, but it isnt cheap, isnt that easy, and is only an interrim solution, as that will run out someday too.
Unfortunately there really isnt much that we can do, but protect our own pocketbooks by using less and hoping that it helps our bottom line make up for the higher acquisition costs.
JMH
Don't pump gas on MAY 15 th
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> > In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest of
> > gas prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.
> >
> >
> > On May 15th 2007, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in
> > protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.00 a gallon in most
> >places.
> >
> >
> > There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet
> >network,
> > and the average car takes about 30 to 50 dollars to fill up.
> >
> >
> > If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take
> > $2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost 3 BILLION) out of the oil companies
> > pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on May
> > 15th and lets try to put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry
> for at
> > least one day.
> >
> >
> > If you agree (which I cant see why you wouldn't) resend this to all
> your
> > contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"
> >
> >
> >
>
> > In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest of
> > gas prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.
> >
> >
> > On May 15th 2007, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in
> > protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.00 a gallon in most
> >places.
> >
> >
> > There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet
> >network,
> > and the average car takes about 30 to 50 dollars to fill up.
> >
> >
> > If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take
> > $2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost 3 BILLION) out of the oil companies
> > pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on May
> > 15th and lets try to put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry
> for at
> > least one day.
> >
> >
> > If you agree (which I cant see why you wouldn't) resend this to all
> your
> > contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"
> >
> >
> >
About all we can do is keep the tires properly inflated. (See the following web site), clean air filter, energy saving oil in correct weight as recommended by vehicle manufacture, drive less if possible, and consider fuel mileage when replacing vehicles.
Tire Pressure Info
Prices are still headed upward and summer driving season has not started yet!
Even with higher prices, demand for gasoline keeps increasing?
Tire Pressure Info
Prices are still headed upward and summer driving season has not started yet!
Even with higher prices, demand for gasoline keeps increasing?
The goverenment is here to help us. Keep on saying it over and over again till you believe it,Who owns the politicians.
Adan123,
I'm with you on your reply. I remember last year in Los Angeles everyone was buying locking gas caps for their cars/trucks cuz people were syphoning/stealing gasoline from peoples cars on the streets. I even heard some people were being held up at gas stations and thieves driving away without paying for the gas they buy. IF it's goes higher than what it is currently the police will have a big problem on there hands. Since we pay the highest expect bad action to happen here first!!!
Durango
JHZR2
Staff member
Up to $2.75/gal here in NJ - some stations are up to $2.83!!!!!
Cripes... the gas station man told me their next shipment will be even more!
JMH
Cripes... the gas station man told me their next shipment will be even more!
JMH
I just paid 3.03 for Super here in Shreveport for the SAAB. Using premium in a car you use to commute for an over 100 mile daily round trip is no fun. Even when you get over 30 mpg. I've begged my wife to let me get a motorcycle but she keeps mumbling something about three fatherless children.
Lunch-time fill-up cost $3.49 a gallon today.
It can't go up to $4.50/$5! I have to drive to Iowa this summer to visit family.
Besides, once it goes up to $4+ and we see Mobil raking in $100+ billion in profits - people will start to retaliate. I was amazed that $50 billion in pure profits wasn't enough to get the American people up in arms.
On that note, filled up last night for $3.39/gal at a good station 10 mins from my house. Gas stations next to the freeway are past $3.60/gal. I will take a picture soon as it tops $4.00/gal. I can't wait
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Sure has to be hurting other people as I drive a car that gets 38+ MPG.
Besides, once it goes up to $4+ and we see Mobil raking in $100+ billion in profits - people will start to retaliate. I was amazed that $50 billion in pure profits wasn't enough to get the American people up in arms.
On that note, filled up last night for $3.39/gal at a good station 10 mins from my house. Gas stations next to the freeway are past $3.60/gal. I will take a picture soon as it tops $4.00/gal. I can't wait
Sure has to be hurting other people as I drive a car that gets 38+ MPG.
What i am trying to convey is the importance of the 3rd bottle of Auto-Rx used as a maintenace program. We
know how important the benefits from the Auto-Rx Cleaning, I don't think we ever got the message across about the benefits of the third bottle maintenace program. Did you know by taking the load off your engines converter
(clean engine -no drag) you increase MPG ? how many remeber that Auto-Rx cleans ring packs while you drive?
keeps compression at spec-keeps combustion to the max. Well Auto-Rx maintenance plan keeps your engine at peak efficency and that translate into MPG. Read post "How Much Auto-Rx Do I Need?
know how important the benefits from the Auto-Rx Cleaning, I don't think we ever got the message across about the benefits of the third bottle maintenace program. Did you know by taking the load off your engines converter
(clean engine -no drag) you increase MPG ? how many remeber that Auto-Rx cleans ring packs while you drive?
keeps compression at spec-keeps combustion to the max. Well Auto-Rx maintenance plan keeps your engine at peak efficency and that translate into MPG. Read post "How Much Auto-Rx Do I Need?
Crazy schtuff here in STL. Monday, 2.98 for 87. Tues, some went to 3.09, while others dropped to 2.82. Today, everyone is up at 3.19 for 87. The prices used to change on Tuesdays, like clockwork. Now it is an everyday thing, and sometimes twice a day. I just bought a case of Schaeffer's 7500. They claim an increase in MPG with it. My first patient: that "Professional Grade" Envoy, and it's 13 MPG.
Try driving a diesel. It is even higher than gas.
Those are all good things, but they are far from the only things that can be done. While most things you can do only have a small effect each, the cumulative effect of doing several of them, can be quite noticeable. For example, just off the top of my head:
1) Pay attention to aerodynamics, as a significant portion of your drag at highway speeds is due to wind resistance (which aerodynamics of the vehicle have a strong effect on). Even reasonably minor aero-mods (such as blocking some of your front grill, when you don't need full radiator cooling), can have a noticeable effect on fuel economy. And much more dramatic effects can be had from mods that are quite possible for after-market tinkerers (for example, installing a smooth "belly pan" on the underside of the vehicle).
2) Pay attention to wheel drag. Its amazing how many brakes drag "just a little", not to mention wheels that don't turn freely. Getting a good (quality) brake job can lower that drag. And greasing up the wheel bearings (with a good synthetic grease) can do wonders for helping the wheels turn more easily. And any wheel drag you eliminate, has to give you better fuel economy (as you are wasting less gas overcoming that drag).
3) If your car is a 1997 or later model year (i.e. if it has the more modern car computer/ECU in it), consider spending the money for a "ScanGuage" or other electronic gauge that plugs into the car's ECU. With such instrumentation, you get a real-time view (from the car's computer) of what your current MPG is each and every second. And that quick feedback about gas usage, can help you learn how your driving style can have a huge effect on gas mileage (thereby giving you a tool to learn how to drive for gas savings).
4) Pay attention to car electrical usage. All electricity in the car ultimately comes from drag (by the alternator) on the engine. So the more electricity you use, the lower your gas mileage. The effect isn't huge here, but it is quite real. Several people over on http://www.gassavers.org have tested this theory, and found that their gas mileage went up well over 10% by disconnecting their alternator. While a complete disconnection of the alternator usually isn't practical, you can get some of that savings simply by turning off unneeded electrical loads (and thereby lower the alternator load on the engine, even if it's not practical to eliminate it).
5) Consider getting rid of unneeded weight in the vehicle. Extra weight lowers FE, so lowering weight will save a little gas. "Cleaning the car" might not be "sexy", but it can have a small but real effect on gas mileage.
6) Consider a garage or block heater (or other way to warm up your engine before driving) in the winter. A cold engine gets much lower gas mileage than a warmed up on. So by having some way to "warm up the engine" before starting, you will get better gas mileage.
7) Consider what additives you might want to use in your oil or gas. For example, I find I get slightly better gas mileage (especially in the winter, when gas mileage always goes down anyway) when I use FP60 (only now I've switched to FP3000). The effect isn't huge, but it's more than enough to pay for the cost of the additive.
8) Don't forget the transmission oil, while you are at it. Remember, some of the friction losses (which again, are overcome by having the engine use more gas) are in the transmission.
And those are just some of the things that can be done. For even more ideas, you might want to head on over to the http://www.gassavers.org forums. Those forums don't have nearly as many participants as BITOG does, but they are still fairly active. And I would say that the people on the gassavers forums are every bit as interested in "testing their theories" (to see which help fuel economy, and which don't) as BITOG members are into testing motor oil to see how it's helping/hurting the engine.
Gentlemen,
Somebody already mentioned a motorcycle. I've considered picking up a used motorcycle. I don't mean some new rocket bike or some Harley, just an old, but serviceable bike. I always liked that scene in "The Great Escape" when Steve McQueen makes a break for it on his bike. That would come in handy for short trips about town, and maybe even commuting to work when the weather is good. My wife, too, is NOT enthusiastic to this idea. If we see $5 per gallon, she might see the sense in it, though.
There is no telling how many people are driving around with all kinds of junk in their cars, worn out spark plugs and wires, dirty air filters, bald tires way under pressure. At least around here. Lots of common sense things to do to improve mileage. For those of us who are BITOGers, this sort of thing probably doesn't apply, though.
When gas prices rise, I always hear some segment of the population saying "It is just the free market at work, pipe down." But is this really a free market? The mere existence of a cartel (OPEC) means they are banding together to limit supply to some extent to keep prices at some level.
Lots of used 4 cylinder Honda civis out there with a manual transmission. You can have some fun while you get pretty decent mileage with those.
Somebody already mentioned a motorcycle. I've considered picking up a used motorcycle. I don't mean some new rocket bike or some Harley, just an old, but serviceable bike. I always liked that scene in "The Great Escape" when Steve McQueen makes a break for it on his bike. That would come in handy for short trips about town, and maybe even commuting to work when the weather is good. My wife, too, is NOT enthusiastic to this idea. If we see $5 per gallon, she might see the sense in it, though.
There is no telling how many people are driving around with all kinds of junk in their cars, worn out spark plugs and wires, dirty air filters, bald tires way under pressure. At least around here. Lots of common sense things to do to improve mileage. For those of us who are BITOGers, this sort of thing probably doesn't apply, though.
When gas prices rise, I always hear some segment of the population saying "It is just the free market at work, pipe down." But is this really a free market? The mere existence of a cartel (OPEC) means they are banding together to limit supply to some extent to keep prices at some level.
Lots of used 4 cylinder Honda civis out there with a manual transmission. You can have some fun while you get pretty decent mileage with those.
The US has not built a refinery in about 30 years. Every time it is mentioned the environmentalists have a fit.
Population is increasing and more and more vehicles are on the road + demand in China, India, etc., is increasing.
The government has tried price controls in the past and all that did for the most part was take away incentives and did not work.
We have tremendous Shale Oil Deposits & Coal Deposits in this country that could be used for Coal Liquidification into gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel but just recently congress has put than on the back burner and is pushing Ethanol development!
Population is increasing and more and more vehicles are on the road + demand in China, India, etc., is increasing.
The government has tried price controls in the past and all that did for the most part was take away incentives and did not work.
We have tremendous Shale Oil Deposits & Coal Deposits in this country that could be used for Coal Liquidification into gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel but just recently congress has put than on the back burner and is pushing Ethanol development!
I switched to a honda scooter when prices went over $3 last spring in Cali. Got it out again when gas prices passed $3 again earlier this spring. Guessing that $4 is close for Cali on Memorial Day I bought a bigger chain to tie down the scooter.
Scooter prices rise and fall pretty much on the price of gas around here for older scooter models. Low mile late 80s early 90s scooters sell at $400 - 600 when prices are low or winter. Add another $400 to that price when gas crosses $3 barrier. We'll see what happens when it crosses $4. All those 80- early 90s scooters were sold in record numbers the last time gas prices peaked in real dollars - higher than todays $3.
Keep scooters in mind for 70- 80 mpg alternative but if you want a used scooter wait until the gas crisis is over.
Scooter prices rise and fall pretty much on the price of gas around here for older scooter models. Low mile late 80s early 90s scooters sell at $400 - 600 when prices are low or winter. Add another $400 to that price when gas crosses $3 barrier. We'll see what happens when it crosses $4. All those 80- early 90s scooters were sold in record numbers the last time gas prices peaked in real dollars - higher than todays $3.
Keep scooters in mind for 70- 80 mpg alternative but if you want a used scooter wait until the gas crisis is over.
time to convert over to propane
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