Gallons per 100 miles

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I always thought the US traditional measure of fuel economy in miles per gallon was a bit misleading once you get to the higher MPG range. For example, an improvement from 17 mpg to 18 mpg is in fact much greater than an improvement from 27 mpg to 28 mpg.

Anyway, the concept is nothing new in ROW, but it seems to be finally picking up steam in the US... The new (2013) EPA window sticker already includes fuel economy expressed in gallons per 100 miles (gp100), albeit in small print for now.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/4324986

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/mpg-is-stupid.html

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But why, exactly, should consumers care?

Quick, which is better: Replacing an 18-mpg car with a 28-mpg one, or going from a 34-mpg car to one that returns 50 mpg? Researchers at Duke University say that drivers find it easier to select the right answer when efficiency is expressed as gallons per 100 miles (g/100m). So 18 mpg (or 5.5 g/100m) versus 28 mpg (3.6 g/100m)--an increase of 10 mpg--represents a 52 percent reduction in consumption. If you trade in a car rated at 34 mpg for one rated at 50 mpg, its a 16-mpg improvement, so we ought to see those gas card bills plummeting, right? Actually, after a minute's worth of math, you'll get 2.9g/100m in the 34-mpg car and 2g/100m in the 50-mpg car--only half as big a gain as the original scenario.

The gallons-per-mile system makes it easier to see that our efforts to reduce petroleum consumption and carbon emissions should focus on removing from the fleet the vehicles that have the poorest economy, even if we replace them with ones that only return moderately good economy. Spending five or 10 thousand dollars to put a hybrid or diesel powerplant into a Honda Civic will save fuel. For example, the annual fuel cost of a 21-mpg Taurus is $1742, while that of a 28-mpg Focus is $1307--a 7-mpg improvement, netting a reduction in annual fuel costs of $435.

Now consider replacing a 29-mpg Honda Civic with a 42-mpg Civic Hybrid. One might think a whopping 13-mpg bump in economy would save almost twice as much money compared to moving from the Taurus to the Focus. But let's do the actual math: $1263 annual fuel cost for the Civic minus $871 for the Civic Hybrid equals, umm, $392. Nothing to sneeze at, but shouldn't there be a bigger difference?
 
My VW gives me the option of setting my fuel economy display in L/100KM (liters/100 kilometers).

I remember reading about Volkswagen's 3 liter Lupo and thinking what incredible fuel economy this tiny car delivers. Three liters of fuel to drive 100 kilometers (62 miles) is incredible.
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
My VW gives me the option of setting my fuel economy display in L/100KM (liters/100 kilometers).

Yeah, my car does too, but I think that forcing liters and kilometers on an average American is a much tougher pill to swallow than just switching from MPG to gp100. Still, even that will not be easily accepted, I reckon, as it requires slightly more math, and we know the state of math skills in this country...
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There's also another variable they are not accounting for and that's measure of scale.

Fuel economy is nothing if you drive less than 2k miles a year. Repair costs and insurance costs tower over fuel costs.
 
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
There's also another variable they are not accounting for and that's measure of scale.

Fuel economy is nothing if you drive less than 2k miles a year. Repair costs and insurance costs tower over fuel costs.


How many people actually drive less than 2k/yr on their primary vehicle? Some, sure. If old, or using mass transit or having it as a spare car. But most "normal" use nets higher miles in this country. Plus less miles is less wear and tear, so there is some benefit there if you choose to take advantage.
 
MPG is not really a measure of fuel consumption, why it is used is really beyond me. People use it as if it were a measure of fuel consumption, but it is not. Perhaps that is why most people don't understand the concept and are confused by it.
Try explaining to some that 1mpg difference on a 25mpg car is not the same as 1mpg difference on a 30mpg car as far as fuel consumption is concerned, and they will look at you like you're crazy.

I mean do we measure speed in minutes/mile, flow in minutes/gallon or electricity consumption in hours/kilowatt? Of course not, that is why it baffles me how it even came to existence.
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
My VW gives me the option of setting my fuel economy display in L/100KM (liters/100 kilometers).



Yes, but that is hard for me to comprehend because:

1. I had to go look up that there are 3.785 L/gallon
2. I always forget that it's 0.62 mi/km
3. I'm used to thinking of MILES per GALLON, not the other way around (and definitely not per HUNDRED miles)

This would take me a very long time to "unlearn". Not impossible, but it would be frustrating for a while.
 
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I mean do we measure speed in minutes/mile, flow in minutes/gallon or electricity consumption in hours/kilowatt? Of course not, that is why it baffles me how it even came to existence.


I agree. All should be in BSFC, KG/KWHr, and do the math from there.
 
As long as gas is sold by the gallon why bother? I no longer use ny car to commute with. Neither does Marina. They do seeround town use and maybe 20 miles of highway.Hers is having a hard winter and the rear tires are smoked, so My car gets driven.

The cars average 25 highway and 22 around town. Less than 5 K miles an yr. No desire to buy newer , because I grok them, and do my own maintenance. The Rat gets 20 highway and 17 around town is bearable, because it gets maybe 1500 miles a yr.
 
Boats do GPH. If you need to worry about fuel economy in a boat you should not have a boat.

BTW - the Queen Mary got 17 feet to the gallon going across the Atlantic.
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay

I remember reading about Volkswagen's 3 liter Lupo and thinking what incredible fuel economy this tiny car delivers. Three liters of fuel to drive 100 kilometers (62 miles) is incredible.


This point is really driven home when you hold a one gallon gas can and think of some far-off city that that energy will bring you to.

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Read an analysis where the calorie content of a gallon of vegetable oil will move a bicyclist 900 miles.
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MPG is used because it's an easy to understand whole number. If you have not noticed, the Average American does not understand fractions, or decimals.

They do understand that 32 miles per gallon is exactly that.
 
My understanding was that MPG came about, as people were interested in the range of the vehicle and the fuel in the tank or the glass bowl on the siphon pump...I've got a 10 gallon tank, and it's half full, how far can I go ?

It's more intuitive that way (to me at least) than having the inverse equation of "how many gallons does it take to do 100 miles, and how much is left in my tank ?"

And I still think people work that way, as Nissan pulled a swifty with the 4800 petrol patrol that got 20l/100km (5km/l, 11.7MPG)...I don't think that people got "20L/100km" as being awful...Nissan put nearly 200L of tank in that vehicle, and advertised it's range of nearly 1,000km (peugeot turbodisels go 1000 km also)...people got hosed when it came to $320 to fill up.
 
Originally Posted By: Cujet
MPG is used because it's an easy to understand whole number. If you have not noticed, the Average American does not understand fractions, or decimals.

They do understand that 32 miles per gallon is exactly that.


Yeah, why change what works and is so easy to figure? I completely disagree it is not an accurate measure of fuel economy as some have said as well. Of course it is. 250 miles driven on 10 gallons of fuel is 25 MPG. No funny math about it. It is what it is.

I don't see that whole gallons p/100 miles foolishness catching on. It isn't because I can't figure fractions and decimal points. It is because MPG is what we are used to and it works just fine so as said no need to change.

I can't even comprehend why anyone would want to change it?
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I can't even comprehend why anyone would want to change it?

Have you tried reading the two articles in the original post?
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
Boats do GPH. If you need to worry about fuel economy in a boat you should not have a boat.

BTW - the Queen Mary got 17 feet to the gallon going across the Atlantic.


LOL I have a 1999 Chaparral 18' 4.3 Mercruiser that does about 5 GPH. That's unbelievable mileage considering what it is. I have never burned more than 11 gal in one outing. Pretty cheap for a boat, yet power to do 50+ mph with 4 people and 2 large dogs when you want.
 
Pretty basic math here. Pretty easy to take a trip miles, divide by expected mpg, multiple by cost/gallon, and come up with a cost. If I had gallons/100miles I'd have to divide by 100, multiple by distance, and multiple by cost/gallon. Seems about the same amount of work, except after years of thinking mpg I doubt I'd do anything other than convert gallons/100miles back into mpg when car shopping.

It may make more engineering sense to do gallon/100mile but...
 
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