FWIW-Redline/Mobil 1 modified Mustang

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Two modified late model Mustangs. These cars run open track events,
solo II and hard street driving. Engine modifications include 80mm
MAFs, large throttle bodies, GT40 upper and lower intakes, ported
factory heads, B303 cam and full length headers. The cars weigh about
the same and the drivers use the same shift points (6,000 RPM). They
both run the same Earl's oil cooler with the same type of
installation. The cars always run at the same events.

If you run a late model Mustang, you'll have to run pretty hard to
beat up your oil more than these guys do. Their cars make power well
above 5,200 and they spend a fair amount of time there.

History

The cars both received an oil change at the beginning of the season.
Ken ran the new formula Mobil 1 in 10W30. Rob ran Redline 5W30. Open
track events included two hot days at Waterford road course and 2 hot
days at Gratten road course. They also ran two Solo II's and hard
street driving. Total mileage for the season was 6,000 miles (on both
cars). The cars were garaged in the fall and the oil samples were
collected near the end of Winter.

Results

Redline did not outperform Mobil 1. Both of the oils performed just
_fine_ for 6,000 miles of street and track abuse. Unfortunately, for
test purposes, neither oil significantly gave up the ghost. Both oils
were in excellent shape when tested. The actual numbers for Mobil 1

at first glance look much better than those for Redline. However, it
must be emphasized that both of the samples are in excellent
condition. The numbers are so low (which is good) that if another
sample was taken the results could be reversed - the numbers for
Redline could be better.

Note that the results for the Redline oil showed a higher amount of
Silicon, and that makes sense, according to the engineer we consulted.
Rob had recently replaced his intake. The higher Silicon content in
his oil is the result of the Silicone based RTV used to seal the
manifold. Pretty neat, eh?

Note that the viscosity for the Redline is slightly better. Higher
reving engines will tend to reduce the viscosity more. Since we
didn't really damage either of these lubes (too bad :-) I really
wonder how the results would have been after a 24 hour endurance race.


Redline 5w30 Mobil 1 10w30

Iron 84 22
Chromium 43 4
Lead 62 6
Copper 15 5
Tin 12 6
Aluminum 9 16


Nickel 0 0
Silver 0 0
Manganese 0 0
Silicon 35 14
Boron 8 94


(these are detergents - ignore them)
Sodium 217 0
Magnesium 601 535
Calcium 1475 2396

Barium 1 0
Phosphorus 1204 1169
Zinc 2283 2130
Molybdenum 223 144
Titanium 0 0
Vanadium 0 0
Cadmium 3 0


Phys. Prop.

Fuel, % vol < 1 < 1

Viscosity
@ 40 deg C. 63.6 58.0
Viscosity
@ 100 deg C. 10.40 9.91
Water % vol 0 0
Solids % vol .4 .8
Glycol Neg Neg

[ September 07, 2003, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
 
Huh??
Redline.. M1
Iron 84 22
Chromium 43 4
Lead 62 6

Pretty huge divverence here and this:

(these are detergents - ignore them)
Sodium 217 0
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Good find
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I don't really know what to make of this UOA. I imagine its not to reliable of a source but it is what it is. Not a good showing of Redline.
 
Molybdenum 223 144

OK, too many numbers wrong with this report to believe anything. Next
 
You can't really make a conclusion on which oil (Mobil 1 or Redline) worked better based on these results because both oils were in different engines.
 
Um buster, did you notice that this is OLD. As in >10yrs. I was actually trying to find this again a while back when SS came out to show that M1 used to use moly.
The sodium has to be contamination, never seen an oil with that much as an add. Unless they did things differrently back then.
This whole thing is wacked and irrelevant. Two different engines. And no trending of either engine.
 
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Um buster, did you notice that this is OLD.

Ummmm, like yeah, I know that. As I mentioned, I don't know the accuracy of the data. It's just something I came across and decided to post. Anyone with common sense wouldn't put too much faith into it.
 
Yes, I've seen this before ... and it is quite old.

And yes, the numbers don't make a whole lot of sense. When did Mobil 1 ever use that much molybdenum? Their use of the stuff is very recent ... as in the last 2 years.
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" ... too many numbers wrong with this report to believe anything. Next"

Sums it up nicely.
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--- Bror Jace
 
I wanted to pull this back up bc two things come to mind when looking at this, that is if it's legit.
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It was mentioned in the recent RL 5w-20 thread about this.

If Redline is "scavenging" metals inside the engine, then 99% of us are wasting our $$ on UOA's with other brands of oils bc we might not be seeing all that is going on inside the engine. *TBN and Viscosity are then the only worthwhile things to take from a UOA.

*Notice how all the M1 + RL mixes turn out good? Weird.
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I'm not a Redline user but scavenging doesn't go on forever and an OCI without trending doesn't show a thing about it or what it does and doesn't get away with. This is not a comparison of anything, just 2 seperate OCIs of a motor that may have a coolant leak with Redline and another with heavily doctored MI if it's to believed at all.

[ November 09, 2004, 10:59 PM: Message edited by: goodvibes ]
 
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