Fram XG9018 @ ~11,600 - media failure

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Let us also keep it mind that the ecotech is known for putting all filters through the ringer including the oem filter, as the one I pulled out of my friends cobalt was a Delco at 10% OLM with lots of waves and starting to crush inwards. The pleats on the Ultra look pristine.

This won't be an issue with spin on filters that have a metal tube in the center.

Anyways thanks for posting.
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Originally Posted By: 01_celica_gt
Ooooooh that is the older extended guard and not fram ultra?


It's an Ultra.


So the box said "Ultra" on it and not "Xtended Guard". Both use the "XG" prefix to the part number.
 
Originally Posted By: TriboGeek
Is this not wire backed media? Is not this precisely what wire backing is designed to prevent?


It is wired backed media, but if the media happened to have a thin or weak spot there, the delta-p could still cause a mini-blowout. I'd suspect that the size of that hole is about the size of the spacing in the wire mesh backing material.
 
Originally Posted By: Roob
It's the new Ultra/extended guard premium lube canister filter, model XG9018, only designed for maximum 10,000miles.
You can confirm it on the Fram website. I was surprised it wasn't 15,000miles also...


Originally Posted By: 99Saturn

Is there some difference between the Ultra Synthetic and Ultra/extended guard? I see the reference to 10K on the specific part number (as well as on the filter the SL2 we have), but 15K on the landing page. I also pulled out one of the ones's I have in my stash XG9018 and the box only says 15K.


The Fram "Extended Guard" is the predecessor to the the "Ultra". Both use the "XG" prefix in the part number. The Ultra is the improved Extended Guard.

If the box said "Extended Guard" then it's good for 10K miles.
If the box said "Ultra" then it's good for 15K miles.

http://fram.com/oil-filters/all-oil-filters.aspx

Fram doesn't even show the Extended Guard on their main website anymore.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

It is wired backed media, but if the media happened to have a thin or weak spot there, the delta-p could still cause a mini-blowout. I'd suspect that the size of that hole is about the size of the spacing in the wire mesh backing material.


Bingo. The wire backing is a diamond mesh. The hole is exactly the size of one of the diamonds. I will try to get some decent lighting and get a picture of the hole from inside of the tube.

It is an Ultra. Good for 15,000 per the box.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Must have touched a nerve. The poster I responded to said "a failure is a failure", which is an accurate statement. I have no interest in, nor did I attempt to compare anything.

As I said, it is what it is. Stuff happens.



No worries. For clarification I should have quoted the post you were referring to.

I guess the point that I am trying to get at is this is just one failure compared to several from Purolator. One is not an issue so far.. and it was the same when Purolator tears were first discovered.

If this issue extends over the period of say a few months with several more complaints, then yes we can compare this situation to Purolator.

Hopefully my comments made a bit more sense this time.
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
...It is an Ultra. Good for 15,000 per the box.

Thanks for the clarification. I think some may have been under the impression that XG meant the superseded Xtended Guard with lower fci recommendation. They both use same prefix.

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
...No worries. For clarification I should have quoted the post you were referring to.

I guess the point that I am trying to get at is this is just one failure compared to several from Purolator. One is not an issue so far.. and it was the same when Purolator tears were first discovered.

If this issue extends over the period of say a few months with several more complaints, then yes we can compare this situation to Purolator.


No problem here, and I don't disagree there is no 'overall' comparison between the two. Can't speak for the poster I was responding to, but if one reads some of the comments early on regarding this specific filter issue, IMO there appears to be some rationalization in some of the evaluation comments. That's what I was most responding to in my first sentence.
 
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
odd the difference between this and pure one failure thread....

pure one thread people are vowing to boycott all purolator until they work it out....

fram ultra thread everyone is saying any filter can fail, ya ya ya, ok so when the OLM can go over 10k on my car I cant use an ultra?

When and if we have a bunch of Ultra failures, Ultras will get hammered, too. We didn't just have one Purolator failure.

Additionally, I'd give odds that Motorking comes into this thread and asks the OP to send in the filter, and the OP gets a few sent to him, gratis. Purolator just tells us not to stockpile filters. What a great business model. Please buy less of our product.
 
"But.........but...........it has an efficiency rating of 99.9% at 20 microns!"
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BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA.

Nice self inflicted puncture wound, Very Clean too!!
 
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: sayjac
^^^^Funny/ironic how that seemed to work here with this filter.

'And feel free to correct me if I'm wrong', but when I look this application up using several sources it shows as an Ultra. Afaik, Ultra's are rated 'up to' 15k miles, 11,600 would be well within that fci. XG is just the prefix used for the Ultra, and was carried over from the Xtended Guard. That aside, 11.6kmiles over "9-10 months" doesn't seem excessive to me for premium synthetic filter like the Ultra.

Whether from usage or mass production effect, stuff happens. It is what it is.

Thanks to the OP for posting.


If Ultra failures become as wide spread as purolator, then yes it is an issue. Until then, the 2 aren't even comparable. I'm am also willing to bet Fram will own up to this unlike purolator who just seems to raise the middle finger.


Exactly. When a rash of them starts popping up I'd be a bit more concerned. For now I consider it an isolated defect of a mass produced product. I will keep an eye out for more problems if/when they arise. A good thing about Bitog is bad news spreads fast, and the mfg. gets trashed! Usually [lol]. The good news is there are still other brands to pick from.

Thanks OP for posting!
 
Conspiracy theory......

The poster is a Purolator employee and put a pencil through the filter to take the heat off of Purolator......
 
Originally Posted By: Cooper
Conspiracy theory......

The poster is a Purolator employee and put a pencil through the filter to take the heat off of Purolator......


LOL
 
Quote:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA.

Nice self inflicted puncture wound, Very Clean too!!

Wow, 'if' one is genuinely accusing the OP of purposely sabotaging the pictured Ultra, that's fairly serious and very unfortunate, imo.

Not liking the pics the OP's posted result is one thing, accusing him of outright dishonesty is another.

And again, while my post is linked above to a response, I never compared brand failures. The main body of my post deals with confirming the OP's Ultra fci, which based on the OP's follow up confirmation of box information turns out to be accurate, that being up to 15k miles.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA.

Nice self inflicted puncture wound, Very Clean too!!

Wow, 'if' one is genuinely accusing the OP of purposely sabotaging the pictured Ultra, that's fairly serious and very unfortunate, imo.

Not liking the pics the OP's posted result is one thing, accusing him of outright dishonesty is another.

And again, while my post is linked above to a response, I never compared brand failures. The main body of my post deals with confirming the OP's Ultra fci, which based on the OP's follow up confirmation of box information turns out to be accurate, that being up to 15k miles.

that does sounds messed up but people can't always like EVERYONE's openion...
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
Maybe Fram has adopted the patented Purolater media with integrated bypass.


Nice
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LOL
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
The XG9018 fits GM's Ecotec 2.0/2.2/2.4 family. This one was in Mom's VUE for about 11,600 miles, probably 9 or 10 months. Two OCIs of QSAD 5w30.

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Looks good so far. Not smooshed at all.

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Wait! What's this? A hole?

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Why, yes. That is a hole.

It's almost like someone shoved the tip of a #2 pencil through the media. Note that the perforation occurred in the only widely spaced pleat on the entire filter. I haven't cut it apart and stretched out the media to check for other failures as I'm certain the act of doing so would cause a lot of damage itself.


Hi,
I work for FRAM. Please call 800-890-2075 and press the option for claims and quality. They would like to see the filter. I do have a few questions- You didn't see this before installation? That said there is a pleated steel screen that supports the filter media, was it damaged? Hard to understand if the hole wasn't there before you installed it, it would take a very hard and sharp piece of material to penetrate two layers of synthetic glass media and a stainless steel screen. In any event i am sure our QC guys can evaluate and tell you what happened.
 
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