I know how most people on this site feel strongly against fram (orange) filters, but what is everyone's opinion on their newest premium filters? (x-tended guard, tough guard, high mileage) I believe if I read correctly online, folks were cutting them open, and finding "cardboard construction" and not happy about this, not sure if I saw any bad UOA's with the orange can. Chime in all!!
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Xtendedguards are very very good filters, an ideal choice for long drain OCIs because of it's high dirt capacity. Toughgards are better than the extraguard, with a silicon ADBV and different media. The HM if I recall is an extraguard with a cage filled with "Additive gel" to replenish the add pack in the oil. Whether it works or not, well...
I have used alot of Fram filters and never had a problum with them. I know some people that will only use them and have used them since the 60s and never had a problem. Some people on here say they are overpriced but they are $3.50 at Fleet Farm.
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I've run hundreds of thousands of miles using the orange Fram filters, cut open each and every one of them and not a single problem. Its the number one selling filter out there and still looking for all the dead engines on the side of the road.
Thanks, Bill
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I've run hundreds of thousands of miles using the orange Fram filters, cut open each and every one of them and not a single problem. Its the number one selling filter out there and still looking for all the dead engines on the side of the road.
Thanks, Bill
Xtended guards a real nice. The other frams are garbage and over priced for what they are
Read this entire post, and you'll agree that filters are not really as critical as we think. In fact the Fram with its extra flow may be better:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/781656/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/781656/
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Only Fram filter I'd now consider is the Extended Guard. At, ~$8 at Wally it is well constructed with metal endcap construction.
The orange can is fiber endcap "engineered media" and generally priced ~$3.50 to ~$5.00.
The TG adds silicone adbv to the orange can and rated improved efficiency, keeps fiber caps. Recently priced TG4967 at AZ, one of the smallest filters made for $~7.00.
The high mileage keeps the fiber endcaps and some slow disolving gel tab in the filter, likely a seal sweller. IMO, a gimmick, wouldn't even consider it at all.
For the orange can and Tough Guard IMO there are better choices(metal endcaps) constuction-wise, out there for less money everyday. That said, if fiber endcap construction at any price is what you seek, then Fram/Honeywell has got a filter or three for you.
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
The orange can is fiber endcap "engineered media" and generally priced ~$3.50 to ~$5.00.
The TG adds silicone adbv to the orange can and rated improved efficiency, keeps fiber caps. Recently priced TG4967 at AZ, one of the smallest filters made for $~7.00.
The high mileage keeps the fiber endcaps and some slow disolving gel tab in the filter, likely a seal sweller. IMO, a gimmick, wouldn't even consider it at all.
For the orange can and Tough Guard IMO there are better choices(metal endcaps) constuction-wise, out there for less money everyday. That said, if fiber endcap construction at any price is what you seek, then Fram/Honeywell has got a filter or three for you.
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
Originally Posted By: sayjac
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: sayjac
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
Then ignore it. There's also lot's of good actual data on flow and filtration that's been posted here recently too. Guess I'd consider river_rats bench tests no more subjective then some opinions expressed on an over 3 year old thread.
In any case it was directed to the OP as an interesting resource, which IMO it is.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
Then ignore it. There's also lot's of good actual data on flow and filtration that's been posted here recently too. Guess I'd consider river_rats bench tests no more subjective then some opinions expressed on an over 3 year old thread.
In any case it was directed to the OP as an interesting resource, which IMO it is.
Extended Guard is the only filter i'd use if someone put a gun to my head,the others are total scrap/garbage! search the site and look at the pics and make up your own mind.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
In any case it was directed to the OP as an interesting resource, which IMO it is.
I would agree that at least he presented both side of the arguement on flow vs filtration. In all likelyhood there are advantage to each, and it maybe be that this is no-win situation. Or at lease one that will never be settled here. There was a reference to a study done by Ford in the 50's which I would say has no relevence today unless you are using oil from the 50's.
As far as the three year old thread I posted, I don't think the age of the thead has any relevance. The info contained can be judged by the reader on its own merit.
In any case it was directed to the OP as an interesting resource, which IMO it is.
I would agree that at least he presented both side of the arguement on flow vs filtration. In all likelyhood there are advantage to each, and it maybe be that this is no-win situation. Or at lease one that will never be settled here. There was a reference to a study done by Ford in the 50's which I would say has no relevence today unless you are using oil from the 50's.
As far as the three year old thread I posted, I don't think the age of the thead has any relevance. The info contained can be judged by the reader on its own merit.
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
The info contained can be judged by the reader on its own merit.
Such was my thought on the link I posted. On that much we can agree.
The info contained can be judged by the reader on its own merit.
Such was my thought on the link I posted. On that much we can agree.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Xtendedguards are very very good filters, an ideal choice for long drain OCIs because of it's high dirt capacity.
The Xtended Guard also has classic metal end cap and center core construction. The XG is FRAM's best filter, and it shows in the design and construction - and of course price.
Xtendedguards are very very good filters, an ideal choice for long drain OCIs because of it's high dirt capacity.
The Xtended Guard also has classic metal end cap and center core construction. The XG is FRAM's best filter, and it shows in the design and construction - and of course price.
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: sayjac
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
It's a good comparison test. There is comparative filtering data, which seems to correlate with advertised filter efficiency numbers from manufacture's that give them.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
It's a good comparison test. There is comparative filtering data, which seems to correlate with advertised filter efficiency numbers from manufacture's that give them.
Originally Posted By: daman
Extended Guard is the only filter i'd use if someone put a gun to my head,the others are total scrap/garbage! search the site and look at the pics and make up your own mind.
Really? ... I think the Xtended Guard is a good filter. You might be thinking of the other filters below the Xtended Guard.
http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/xtended-guard.php
Extended Guard is the only filter i'd use if someone put a gun to my head,the others are total scrap/garbage! search the site and look at the pics and make up your own mind.
Really? ... I think the Xtended Guard is a good filter. You might be thinking of the other filters below the Xtended Guard.
http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/xtended-guard.php
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: sayjac
In any case it was directed to the OP as an interesting resource, which IMO it is.
I would agree that at least he presented both side of the arguement on flow vs filtration. In all likelyhood there are advantage to each, and it maybe be that this is no-win situation. Or at lease one that will never be settled here.
My conclusion on oil filter flow is that basically every filter made will flow enough for a street engine ... even hi-performance street engines. For instance, a PureONE will flow 12 GPM of hot oil and only have a 5 PSID across the media. Most filters will be withing a few PSID of that. There have been many threads addressing this lately.
The biggest difference in flow between filters seems to be when the oil is cold. That is why you hear of guy have cold start-up noises with one filter vs. another. And it could also be due to ADBV design or performance issues.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
In any case it was directed to the OP as an interesting resource, which IMO it is.
I would agree that at least he presented both side of the arguement on flow vs filtration. In all likelyhood there are advantage to each, and it maybe be that this is no-win situation. Or at lease one that will never be settled here.
My conclusion on oil filter flow is that basically every filter made will flow enough for a street engine ... even hi-performance street engines. For instance, a PureONE will flow 12 GPM of hot oil and only have a 5 PSID across the media. Most filters will be withing a few PSID of that. There have been many threads addressing this lately.
The biggest difference in flow between filters seems to be when the oil is cold. That is why you hear of guy have cold start-up noises with one filter vs. another. And it could also be due to ADBV design or performance issues.
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: daman
Extended Guard is the only filter i'd use if someone put a gun to my head,the others are total scrap/garbage! search the site and look at the pics and make up your own mind.
Really? ... I think the Xtended Guard is a good filter. You might be thinking of the other filters below the Xtended Guard.
http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/xtended-guard.php
Yea wording was off some, see how much i know about FRAM?
Originally Posted By: daman
Extended Guard is the only filter i'd use if someone put a gun to my head,the others are total scrap/garbage! search the site and look at the pics and make up your own mind.
Really? ... I think the Xtended Guard is a good filter. You might be thinking of the other filters below the Xtended Guard.
http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/xtended-guard.php
Yea wording was off some, see how much i know about FRAM?
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: sayjac
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
Actually I felt it had more real data and less subjectivity than any other study I have seen. If I remember correctly, Fram did well compared to better looking filters. There is an amazing lack of real data to back up the orange can of doom.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
If you would like to read more about oil filters and comparisons, the link takes you to some bench tests recently done by a member. http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/
That's interesting info on the web site, but mostly subjective conclusions with no data to back them up.
Actually I felt it had more real data and less subjectivity than any other study I have seen. If I remember correctly, Fram did well compared to better looking filters. There is an amazing lack of real data to back up the orange can of doom.
Originally Posted By: labman
There is an amazing lack of real data to back up the orange can of doom.
Welcome to the real world... Most of the bashing here on the board are from major koolaid drinkers and anything else but their koolaid is garbage.
That's okay, a lot of them are ignored once their agenda is obvious.
Bill
There is an amazing lack of real data to back up the orange can of doom.
Welcome to the real world... Most of the bashing here on the board are from major koolaid drinkers and anything else but their koolaid is garbage.
That's okay, a lot of them are ignored once their agenda is obvious.
Bill
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
The biggest difference in flow between filters seems to be when the oil is cold. That is why you hear of guy have cold start-up noises with one filter vs. another. And it could also be due to ADBV design or performance issues.
When the oil is cold the flow is in by-pass anyway, so the make of filter is really irrelevant until it's thin enough to flow.
The biggest difference in flow between filters seems to be when the oil is cold. That is why you hear of guy have cold start-up noises with one filter vs. another. And it could also be due to ADBV design or performance issues.
When the oil is cold the flow is in by-pass anyway, so the make of filter is really irrelevant until it's thin enough to flow.
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