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Current point in my life, I'm trying to find ways of sending ash to re-use rather than landfill, and have been researching what used to be done "back then" (as posted before, plenty of local abodes are made from ash/lime, and my back steps have a high content of blast furnace slag)...also evidence in Australian opal fields demonstrate that fence posts that have been in the ground for literally only decades are displaying fossilisation (opalisation) that should take millenia.

Something that's been bubbling along for decades in the non-main stream media has been ancient vitrified ruins...and lost technologies.

Supposedly, the ancients had atom bombs, lasers, and Alien attacks, causing surface glazing, so intense and so brief that the major rocks weren't cracked/broken/ruptured...including glazing present hundreds of feet into caves, where fire could not be made intense enough, and if it was, there's be evidence.

The "modern" explanation is that this glazing can only be as a result of temperatures over 1,000C. ... because that's what we know.

http://www.ancient-mysteries-explained.c...ges_of_peru.pdf

I'm starting to form a belief that the "lost" arts weren't high temperature lasers, nuclear explosions, searing fires, but a low temperature understanding of minerals and their interaction.

Davidovits has been able to replicate some techniques, such as this 25,000 year old statue that apparently pre-dates ceramics by 25,000 years traditionally...
http://www.davidovits.info/44/my-encount...polymer-ceramic

at a far lower temperature than we would traditionally be looking at...

http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/ci...y-and-antiquity

Same bloke is making blue "feiance", for which the egyptians would have needed 1,200 C kilns according to modern science.

http://www.geopolymer.org/library/archaeological-papers/f-why-djoser%E2%80%99s-blue-egyptian-faience-tiles-are-not-blue

As an aside, American Indians were making black pottery by polishing the pot with a quartz crystal (introducing a silica layer), and firing in smoky camp fires.

This is an interesting quote, from a master craftsman back in the day.

http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/stele-master-craftsman-scribe-and-sculptor-irtysen

Quote:
"I know how to make pigments, and products that melt without fire burning them and are moreover insoluble in water. Nobody will know of this except me and my eldest son, the god having ordered that he become an initiate, as I have noticed his ability to oversee works in all the precious materials from silver and gold to ivory and ebony."


Personally, I think this is more likely than lasers, A-Bombs, Ancient Alien warfare...we just have to rediscover it.
 
I thought the mysteries of the ages are hidden in a Mason vault someplace and are awaiting release?
 
Could be, if so, the local Mason's don't know about it. All their stuff is machine made these days.
 
I think our ancestors were much more knowledgeable of material processes than common theories suggest, and I see no reason to invoke extraterrestrial influences.

In relation to the Opals the report stated in part:

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The preservation status of the microbes is high. The growth of Micromonospora hyphae [slender microbial body extensions] have kept pace with the accumulation of the silica spheres and provide a record of the time taken for the accumulation of silica hydrosol. The time taken for the formation of opal is therefore probably of the order of weeks to months and not the hundreds of thousands of years required by the conventional weathering model.


Watkins, J. J., H. J. Behr, and K. Behr. June 2011. Fossil microbes in opal from Lightning Ridge — implications for the formation of opal. Quarterly Notes, Geological Survey of New South Wales. 136: 1-20.
 
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The only issue I see with your comments is many of those ancient sites believed to have been glazed by nuclear events also measure high in radiation. Not unhealthy high, but much higher than surroundings.
 
It may take several really high temperature to cost effectively glaze the ceramic, but if you use a much longer time, say days or months, can you get the same result with lower temperature?

As in, if you throw wood on it to burn for days or months (as a religious ceremony) like a forest fire, will you get the same result at lower temperature despite not as cost efficient?
 
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I think our ancestors were much more knowledgeable of material processes than common theories suggest, and I see no reason to invoke extraterrestrial influences.

In relation to the Opals the report stated in part:


Found this photograph interesting...
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Appears that the earlier people knew more about their craft than the later...
 
Fascinating thread. Fully agree that ancient civs had incredible knowledge. It seems to me that human 'enlightenment' goes through cycles; from the dark ages of primitive ignorance and war to high times of great illuminatio and peace- and back again. We rediscover and forget, only to rediscover again.
 
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Just recently "rediscovered" how to make Roman concrete.

They've been working on recreating that for some time, haven't they?

We as humans may have forgotten some science and forgotten some techniques, but we certainly have not forgotten how to explain poorly understood things in bizarre ways. If we didn't understand it in the past, it was gods or demons. If we don't understand it now, it's aliens.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I think our ancestors were much more knowledgeable of material processes than common theories suggest, and I see no reason to invoke extraterrestrial influences.

In relation to the Opals the report stated in part:


Found this photograph interesting...
andes5%20hatun2.jpg


Appears that the earlier people knew more about their craft than the later...


Cool, but where was OSHA when these guys were chipping away? They haven't found any safety goggles.
 
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Fascinating thread. Fully agree that ancient civs had incredible knowledge. It seems to me that human 'enlightenment' goes through cycles; from the dark ages of primitive ignorance and war to high times of great illuminatio and peace- and back again. We rediscover and forget, only to rediscover again.


Yap, we are currently at the peak pre-war state. When we lose electricity, internet, and computers, much of the knowledge will be lost again.

We are losing a lot of skills already due to computers/calculators. Ask any child to make any calculations by hand. Good luck!
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Fascinating thread. Fully agree that ancient civs had incredible knowledge. It seems to me that human 'enlightenment' goes through cycles; from the dark ages of primitive ignorance and war to high times of great illuminatio and peace- and back again. We rediscover and forget, only to rediscover again.


Yap, we are currently at the peak pre-war state. When we lose electricity, internet, and computers, much of the knowledge will be lost again.

We are losing a lot of skills already due to computers/calculators. Ask any child to make any calculations by hand. Good luck!


Agreed. There are fewer and fewer true craftsmen building and machining things since many things are computer controlled.
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I think our ancestors were much more knowledgeable of material processes than common theories suggest, and I see no reason to invoke extraterrestrial influences.


+1 and also agree with gaining knowledge and losing it over time. The "ancients" might have been somewhat primitive compared with other people of different times, but they weren't stupid. Take for example the "Ulfberht" Viking sword of a thousand years ago which is supposedly one of the best swords ever made. It's only been recently that we think we might have figured out how they made them, but even at that, we're not entirely sure of the process as the knowledge was lost in history. Once the knowledge is lost, people come up with fanciful tales of some "watery tart" throwing swords from ponds, ("help, help, I'm being repressed!"). While we would consider ourselves more advanced, our "fanciful tale" involves spaceships and creatures from other worlds bringing anal probes.
 
What gets me that if "they" had all that knowledge and then all of a sudden human kind went back to the dark ages....what happened? What happened to have such a huge void in technology? Say from "that" time to the 1300's or so? Things were pretty sluggish until WW II....if you look at the jump in technology from that era to today, compared from pre- WW II and further back....humans haven't done squat.....Just seems unreal for that quick of advancements. I'll say this, the Ancient Aliens show in Discovery channel can sure make you stop and go "hummmmmm."
 
Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I think our ancestors were much more knowledgeable of material processes than common theories suggest, and I see no reason to invoke extraterrestrial influences.


+1 and also agree with gaining knowledge and losing it over time. The "ancients" might have been somewhat primitive compared with other people of different times, but they weren't stupid. Take for example the "Ulfberht" Viking sword of a thousand years ago which is supposedly one of the best swords ever made. It's only been recently that we think we might have figured out how they made them, but even at that, we're not entirely sure of the process as the knowledge was lost in history. Once the knowledge is lost, people come up with fanciful tales of some "watery tart" throwing swords from ponds, ("help, help, I'm being repressed!"). While we would consider ourselves more advanced, our "fanciful tale" involves spaceships and creatures from other worlds bringing anal probes.


I don't get why people are so opposed to aliens. Logic, reason, etc. all point to it. All the older civilizations with this technology claim to have received it from people that came from the sky. If they were smart enough to have this technology, do we not think they were smart enough to know where it came from?

When people step back and look at how humans fit into this world and then realize we don't, that is when they start actually looking for real, plausible answers.
 
The Phoenicians invented glass making and the process was lost for over a 1000 yrs. We still don't know how "Greek fire" was made. And there are Babylonian battery cells in a museum
 
Originally Posted By: badtlc
I don't get why people are so opposed to aliens. Logic, reason, etc. all point to it.

Anything is possible, of course. However, some of the proponents are a tad over the top. And I wish these people and their fans would stop calling them "theorists."

They're not theorists. A theory is testable. Their assertions are wild speculation at best, and they have not proposed a way to test those assertions. Therefore, they are not theorists.
 
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